Intel Mentions 10nm, Briefly

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• HStewart - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  Intel has a monopoly if you living in a blind world - I would be more concern about company's like Qualcomm and 5G and ARM environments.
  
  And talking about Windows on ARM, keep in mind it is Windows S for a reason, emulation mode is extremely slow with out APP enhancements to make sure it runs in App Approved windows environment. It basically has a performance of Atom but in Windows .net mode its probably pretty good.
  
  "Any potential GPU advances is still years off. I wouldn't bet on any of that for the time being. By the time they do deliver, AMD and NVidia aren't going to stay still."
  
  Do you really think Intel is not going to stay still - if you do, you are living in a fantasy world. Keep in mind Raju left AMD for a reason and he probably was reading the writing on wall. It is funny that AMD fanboy's say Intel Glue itself together - but basic designed of Zen is multiple cpus Glued together to get AMD the temporary claim of more cores.
  
  "They've been cashing in on the same architecture for years, and just started introducing more cores because of Zen. "
  
  The same can be said about AMD - just that Zen is release new - but AMD had the ill-fated BullDozer core about the same time as intel start the i series. Intel does call the core - but the iSeries are significantly different than the Core 2 base series.
  
  Please educate your self on history of both Intel and AMD
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microp...–_Core_microarchitecture
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_micropro...
  
  " They've been really dependent on their process advances, doing very little in terms of innovation and creativity (as Lisa Su likes to put it, in which I agree)."
  
  Ok anything you say - but Intel has 49 qubit quantum chip - which is next generation of intelligent computers which AMD or ARM can never even think of competing with it. Lisa Su is basically hoping to grab some of market from Intel and loosing engineers like Raju.
  
  Go ahead and believe your fantasy world - AMD is no where near the thread to Intel as ARM is. Intel is fully aware of that that is why they are putting efforts in mobile and not desktops.

• tomi832 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  So you really think that in like 3-4 years everybody will have an intel Quantom CPU?
  If that's a yes from you than you're the one who should be educated.
  Quantom CPUs are superbly expensive. Not only to manufacture, develop and buy but also to maintain - they need a really low temperature to operate, check LinusTechTips's video where he went to a facility which had a super computer with a Quantom CPU - it took him like 5 minutes to get in because of all the things around it to make it cool. It's like a little chamber/huge fridge, which operates at a way lower point than 0 Celsius.
  Only big companies like Microsoft and Google would maybe buy it...but for the most people (and 100% of the consumers) Qubit CPU are not useful at all and they won't be able to buy/operate it...
  Also I think that you don't really get it but Intel is a serious underdog in Quantom computing...just because they entered doesn't mean they are the best - they are probably the worst right now, that's why they only have samples but the don't really sell them.

• HStewart - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  "Besides, unless Intel's foundry business starts fabbing in mass for others, it wouldn't really matter which is the "superior" process"
  
  Also this is exactly what they did with Intel 8th Gen CPU core integrated with Vega GPU. They work with AMD to make this happen. But it in a package and other GPU likely could be also integrated.

• GrouchoMarx - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  @lilmoe,AMD fanboy detected. Even AMD's partners already admitted that their 7nm chips are less dense than Intel's 10nm. Intel's rivals are too much behind. I'll get an Intel 10nm this years while you will get an inferior AMD 7nm on 2020(likely as I don't buy AMD's schedule of 2019. Look how hard it's been for Intel)
  
  @HStewart, you are a smart guy ;-)

• tomi832 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  BS much?
  First of all - I didn't see GloFo/TSMC/Samsung admit that intel's 10 nm is more sense than their 7 nm, only Intel claimed that like 2-3 years ago when they talked about their "upcoming" 10 nm, which according to many leaks - is truly disappointing, which is why they just release 14++ instead of the 10 nm node - because their 14++ is actually better.
  Now take that, with the fact that GloFo's 14 nm is seriously behind Intel's 14+, yet Ryzen isnt a lot behind Kaby Lake, and the gap between Coffee lake and Zen+ will be even shorter.
  Intel is losing their Node advantage that they had for years. About 7 years ago they claimed that they'll have 10 nm by 2015. It's 2018 now! Intel isn't on schedule - unlike other Foundries. They also claimed that they are way ahead of other companies while actually the 10 nm that is on the market is about as good as Intel's 14+/+. Yet according to Intel, they should have a way bigger advatnage...which just isn't there, it's gone.
  GloFo's 7 nm will probably be about as dense as Intel's 10 nm.
  So - I think that the only fanboy around here is actually you, especially by the way you talk ("inferior AMD 7 nm etc") and say that you won't even consider buying AMD's products...

• FunBunny2 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  makes one wonder whether Heisenberg and the rest of physics is nearly ready to say "enough already!!"

• jjj - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  For Intel QS means shipping and they do this all the time, ship QS to claim that they shipped on schedule.

• bugnguts - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link

  Intel's problem is 10nm is too small for the core architecture. It will work and it will consume less power, but it will need to decrease clock speeds because it cannot transfer heat fast enough at this smaller node.
  Haswell(22nm) to Broadwell(14) had this problem where the typical max overclock actually lowered. Intel has worked a lot to push the clocks higher but we are seeing very little increase after Skylake. Even worse Intel must lower clocks on anything above a 4 core. IPC improvements have decreased as this architecture has been improved upon for over 15 years. The move to 10nm will mean lowering clocks in desktops, who wants to downgrade to save a bit of power? Servers, well the problem is even worse since they use high core counts the clocks will certainly be pushed lower. Sure you will consume less power per chip, but you will actually have slower chips, which means you will need more, which in turns negates the lower power draw.
  This all falls in line with what Intel announced quietly today. "We are shipping 10nm Cannon Lake...they are low power dual core..., but we are shipping 10nm.