AMD Teases First Navi GPU Products: RX 5700 Series Launches in July, 25% Improved Perf-Per-Clockby Ryan Smith on May 26, 2019 11:30 PM EST
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While the bulk of this morning’s AMD Computex keynote has been on AMD’s 3rd generation Ryzen CPUs and their underlying Zen 2 architecture, the company also took a moment to briefly touch upon its highly anticipated Navi GPU architecture and associated family of products. AMD didn’t go too deep here, but they have given us just enough to be tantalized ahead of a full reveal in the not too distant future. The first Navi cards will be the Radeon RX 5700 series, which are launching in July and on an architectural level will offer 25% better performance per clock per core and 50% better power efficiency than AMD’s current-generation Vega architecture. The products will also be AMD's first video cards using faster GDDR6 memory. Meanwhile AMD isn’t offering much in the way of concrete details on performance, but they are showing it off versus NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 2070 in the AMD-favorable game Strange Brigade.
A Peek At the Navi GPU Architecture
Compared to today’s Ryzen information AMD is being a lot more modest – there’s no specific SKU information for a start – but they are offering us our first architectural details on Navi since we learned in 2016 that it would bring “next gen memory” support. First and foremost, AMD has been tinkering with their GPU architecture to improve both the effective IPC and memory bandwidth efficiency. In what the company is calling their Radeon DNA (RNDA) archtiecture – I should note that it’s not clear if this is a branding exercise to downplay the GCN family name or if it's a more heavily overhauled architecture – AMD has revealed that Navi’s compute units have been redesigned to improve their efficiency. AMD's press materials also note that, regardless of the above changes, the size hasn't changed: a single CU is still 64 stream processors.
Altogether, a Navi core/CU should be 25% faster than a Vega core on a clock-for-clock basis. The devil is in the details of course – AMD's data is based off of their internal testing, taking the geomean of 30 games tested at 3840x2160 with Ultra settings and 4x AA, so it's not a holistic view of just the core architecture – but it’s still potentially one of AMD’s largest GPU IPC gains in the last several years. AMD’s presentation also noted that this was part of a larger streamlining of the graphics pipeline, which is designed for both higher IPCs and high clockspeeds. For reference, on the same process AMD has been able to push Radeon VII well past its comfort/efficiency point to 1750MHz, so it will be interesting to see how Navi compares.
Feeding the beast is a new multi-level cache hierarchy. AMD is touting that Navi’s cache subsystem offers both higher performance and lower latency than Vega’s, all for less power consumption. AMD has always been hamstrung a bit by memory/cache bottlenecks, so this would be a promising development for AMD’s GPU architecture. Meanwhile for a bit of reference, Vega already implemented a more modern cache hierarchy, so it would seem unlikely that AMD is changing their cache levels or what blocks are clients of which caches.
AMD's memory controllers themselves have also been updated. Long expected, and confirmed in the press release that went out after Dr. Lisa Su's keynote, the upcoming RX 5700 series cards use GDDR6 memory, which should give AMD's cards a hearty bandwidth bump over their comparable GDDR5 Polaris cards.
It's also worth noting that, fittingly, the new Navi parts support PCI Express 4.0 as well. This will actually be AMD's second GPU with PCIe 4.0 functionality – Vega 20 was first, but it's only enabled in the Radeon Instinct parts – so this is the first time it's enabled in a consumer part. Of course to make full use of it you'll need a PCI 4.0-capable host, which AMD is happy to sell you as well. As for the performance impacts, these remain to be seen. Thus far high-end AMD/NVIDIA parts haven't been significantly bottlenecked in games by PCIe 3.0 x16 (or even x8), so it will be interesting to see how much the extra bus bandwidth helps these first generation of parts.
Last but certainly not least of course is overall power efficacy. Thanks to the combination of AMD’s architectural improvements and TSMC’s 7nm process, AMD is promoting a 50% increase in performance per watt for Navi. Power efficiency is AMD’s Achilles heel relative to NVIDIA, so this is another area where we’re eager to see AMD catch up. It should be noted however that this statement didn’t come with a qualifier – if it’s 50% more efficient at the same clockspeeds as Vega or a given total card TDP – which can impact the meaningfulness somewhat. For Polaris/Vega, AMD opted to push their cards well up the voltage/frequency curve in order to maximize performance at a cost to power consumption, so power efficiency is fluid based on what clockspeeds AMD ships at.
Update: Since there have been some questions about what the efficiency number is in reference to – if it's against the 7nm Vega 20 GPU or the 14nm Vega 10 GPU – I went back over AMD's keynote presentation and transcribed it. Here is what Dr. Lisa Su specifically said on the subject (emphasis mine).
And then, when you put that together, both the architecture – the design capability – as well as the process technology, we're seeing 1.5x or higher performance per watt capability on the new Navi products
So while I will hold off on calling this the definitive word until we've had a full technology briefing, at first glance it would seem that the 50% efficiency gain is a combination of architecture and the move from GloFo 14nm to TSMC 7nm.
Radeon RX 5700 Series: Coming in July
Alongside the architecture teaser, AMD also offered up some high-level details about the first Navi video cards. Navi will be sold under AMD’s RX 5000 series of video cards – that’s right, after Vega and Radeon VII, they’re going back to distinct series numbers. The RX 5000 series means that AMD is making a big jump in their numbering system, going back to 4 digits and back to the 5000 series. Officially, this is because AMD is celebrating its 50th year in business this year – so of course the product numbers need to start with a 50. However long-time observers will note that it’s been 10 years now since AMD’s previous 5000 series of video cards, the well-received Radeon HD 5000 series, and AMD may be trying to capture a bit of that.
Of the RX 5000 cards, the first series will be the RX 5700. These will be launching in July. AMD is also showing off the specific Navi GPU that will be used here, though as far as AMD’s numbering system goes, we don’t know whether this is Navi 10 or another GPU model number.
This is a traditional, monolithic die with a significant pin count package. So if I were a betting man (ed: you still owe me a steak), then I’d expect it to be paired up with GDDR6. (ed again: this has since been confirmed by AMD's press release)
Update: Thanks to our own Andrei Frumusanu for doing the leg work, we now have a die size estimate based on these and some unpublished photos. Our working guess right now is 275mm2, give or take a few percent. Though that's going to be less precise than what a proper micro-caliper measurement will turn up, so this is very much still just an estimate.
Finally, while AMD isn’t giving us concrete performance information, the company did use its Computex keynote to briefly demonstrate performance on the card versus NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 2070, a $500 video card. While this is a game that favors AMD to begin with, it’s a promising sign that they’re able to pull ahead of mid-to-high-end NVIDIA card by 10%. Which means we’re all going to be eagerly awaiting more information on the video card as AMD ramps up for their July launch.
AMD's next big gaming event will be their E3 2019 Next Horizing Gaming Event, and AMD tells us that we'll find out more about the RX 5000 series there. So stay tuned.
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Opencg - Monday, May 27, 2019 - linkrumors are these will all be significantly cheaper than their nvidia counterparts. this is from leaks
haukionkannel - Monday, May 27, 2019 - linkNvidia did claim that They do not use 7nm yet because it would make gpu too expensive!
So Yes, 7nm is not cheap to And we all know that Nvidia Gpu Are cheap and according to Nvidia They would be more expensive if made at 7nm... how much 2080ti would cost at 7nm 2000$???
500$ for 2070 speed is very real estimation and actually it is a leak from GRaphic card manufacturer, so most likely very true compared to fan made ques that we have seen.
Qasar - Monday, May 27, 2019 - linkthey did ?? where did nvidia say that ?
haukionkannel - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - linkWhen Radeon 7 was released...
Qasar - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - linkhmmm dont remember reading that....
MadManMark - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - linkI suspect you are misinterpretting Jen Hsun's statement that they didn't yet need to yet pay the cost to shift to 7nm, to mean that it would be "too expensive." It's not about an absolute statement of fact, that it is or isn't. It's that Nvidia decided it could preserve both high lead and high margins, while AMD didn't have that luxury, they have to pay higher costs of the 7nm process just to maintain competitveness to Nvidia SKUs still on 12nm++
CiccioB - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - linkAlso my calculator chip is very power efficient.
All chips at lower clocks get more efficient. But their performances also decrease.
Efficiency is not an absolute measure, is the ratio of two.
We are speaking about performance/W here.
And Polaris is not efficient in any way you look at it.
It becomes efficient if you want to build an even larger die at a low clock to do slow work. It would just became more expensive of what is already now in OC mode.
neblogai - Monday, May 27, 2019 - link7nm is not so new anymore, and memory prices also continue to drop. Maybe we need an update regarding them. Anyway- if nVidia can sell a huge 445mm^2 die + GDDR6 + huge proffits, then AMD should be about as competitive at selling ~275mm^2 7nm die + GDDR6 + lower profits as well.
CiccioB - Monday, May 27, 2019 - linkIt all depends on how good are the yields at 7nm.
The HP version of the process is new (do not get confused with the LP version of it) and because nvidia does not need to use an expensive immature PP to create something that leads the market, they simply aren't.
They also stopped hurry up with the HPC version of their architecture, as Intel withdraw from the competition with their Xeon Phi solutions.
nvidia will most probably adopt a later PP (7nm or Samsung 6nm with EUV) when they'll need to make something better than Turing (not necessarily cheaper, just better in performance without needing to reach 600mm^2 of die area or 300W of power consumption).
And they need something better when:
1. AMD will create a competitive architecture
2. Their Turing architecture will be old enough to need a replacement to restart the selling hiatus.
Seen AMD is a couple generation back with GCN with lower performances and no RT/AI/DL advanced geometry engine support, they are not in a hurry to give % points of gross margin just to adopt an early PP which they do not really need at this moment.
This is the same situation that was in 2008 when nvidia remained at 65nm while AMD was in a hurry for 40nm having used 55nm (and GDDR4, can someone remember that?) with not practical advantage.
In a single statement:
Who leads does not need to adopt more expensive technology to obtain the same or better performance than the competition.
Korguz - Monday, May 27, 2019 - link" and no RT/AI/DL advanced geometry engine support " no biggie.. i think AMD even said that as well.. might see it in their cards next generation... but they are looking into it now though.... personally.. with the performance hit that RT does.. id rather not have it in the cards, and have to pay for something i wont use, or will give too much of a hit to use ...