Windows Optimizations

One of the key points that have been a pain in the side of non-Intel processors using Windows has been the optimizations and scheduler arrangements in the operating system. We’ve seen in the past how Windows has not been kind to non-Intel microarchitecture layouts, such as AMD’s previous module design in Bulldozer, the Qualcomm hybrid CPU strategy with Windows on Snapdragon, and more recently with multi-die arrangements on Threadripper that introduce different memory latency domains into consumer computing.

Obviously AMD has a close relationship with Microsoft when it comes down to identifying a non-regular core topology with a processor, and the two companies work towards ensuring that thread and memory assignments, absent of program driven direction, attempt to make the most out of the system. With the May 10th update to Windows, some additional features have been put in place to get the most out of the upcoming Zen 2 microarchitecture and Ryzen 3000 silicon layouts.

The optimizations come on two fronts, both of which are reasonably easy to explain.

Thread Grouping

The first is thread allocation. When a processor has different ‘groups’ of CPU cores, there are different ways in which threads are allocated, all of which have pros and cons. The two extremes for thread allocation come down to thread grouping and thread expansion.

Thread grouping is where as new threads are spawned, they will be allocated onto cores directly next to cores that already have threads. This keeps the threads close together, for thread-to-thread communication, however it can create regions of high power density, especially when there are many cores on the processor but only a couple are active.

Thread expansion is where cores are placed as far away from each other as possible. In AMD’s case, this would mean a second thread spawning on a different chiplet, or a different core complex/CCX, as far away as possible. This allows the CPU to maintain high performance by not having regions of high power density, typically providing the best turbo performance across multiple threads.

The danger of thread expansion is when a program spawns two threads that end up on different sides of the CPU. In Threadripper, this could even mean that the second thread was on a part of the CPU that had a long memory latency, causing an imbalance in the potential performance between the two threads, even though the cores those threads were on would have been at the higher turbo frequency.

Because of how modern software, and in particular video games, are now spawning multiple threads rather than relying on a single thread, and those threads need to talk to each other, AMD is moving from a hybrid thread expansion technique to a thread grouping technique. This means that one CCX will fill up with threads before another CCX is even accessed. AMD believes that despite the potential for high power density within a chiplet, while the other might be inactive, is still worth it for overall performance.

For Matisse, this should afford a nice improvement for limited thread scenarios, and on the face of the technology, gaming. It will be interesting to see how much of an affect this has on the upcoming EPYC Rome CPUs or future Threadripper designs. The single benchmark AMD provided in its explanation was Rocket League at 1080p Low, which reported a +15% frame rate gain.

Clock Ramping

For any of our users familiar with our Skylake microarchitecture deep dive, you may remember that Intel introduced a new feature called Speed Shift that enabled the processor to adjust between different P-states more freely, as well as ramping from idle to load very quickly – from 100 ms to 40ms in the first version in Skylake, then down to 15 ms with Kaby Lake. It did this by handing P-state control back from the OS to the processor, which reacted based on instruction throughput and request. With Zen 2, AMD is now enabling the same feature.

AMD already has sufficiently more granularity in its frequency adjustments over Intel, allowing for 25 MHz differences rather than 100 MHz differences, however enabling a faster ramp-to-load frequency jump is going to help AMD when it comes to very burst-driven workloads, such as WebXPRT (Intel’s favorite for this sort of demonstration). According to AMD, the way that this has been implemented with Zen 2 will require BIOS updates as well as moving to the Windows May 10th update, but it will reduce frequency ramping from ~30 milliseconds on Zen to ~1-2 milliseconds on Zen 2. It should be noted that this is much faster than the numbers Intel tends to provide.

The technical name for AMD’s implementation involves CPPC2, or Collaborative Power Performance Control 2, and AMD’s metrics state that this can increase burst workloads and also application loading. AMD cites a +6% performance gain in application launch times using PCMark10’s app launch sub-test.

Hardened Security for Zen 2

Another aspect to Zen 2 is AMD’s approach to heightened security requirements of modern processors. As has been reported, a good number of the recent array of side channel exploits do not affect AMD processors, primarily because of how AMD manages its TLB buffers that have always required additional security checks before most of this became an issue. Nonetheless, for the issues to which AMD is vulnerable, it has implemented a full hardware-based security platform for them.

The change here comes for the Speculative Store Bypass, known as Spectre v4, which AMD now has additional hardware to work in conjunction with the OS or virtual memory managers such as hypervisors in order to control. AMD doesn’t expect any performance change from these updates. Newer issues such as Foreshadow and Zombieload do not affect AMD processors.

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  • Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link

    I'm 95% convinced that your micro-stuttering is caused by the GPU/drivers. Disable SLI or Crossfire if that's what you have (you never said what video card you use). And please stop trolling. Reply
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    Really? After all that I said about this... you think that you're 95% sure it's caused by GPU drivers and you want me to disable SLI or Crossfire? Really? Reply
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    have you even mentioned which vid card you are using, or what version the drivers are, or if they are up to date ?? Reply
  • Gastec - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link

    It could also be related to G-sync/FreeSync and your monitor. When debugging the best way is to reduce everything to a minimum. Reply
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    Really, dude? You think it's related to Gsyng and Freesync? Reply
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    it very well could be.. a little while ago.. there was a whole issue with micro stuttering and the fix.. was in new drivers after a certain revision... Reply
  • wurizen - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    This is gonna be my last comment regarding my comment about Infinity Fabric High memory latency issue... an objective response would be "It could;" or, "it's quit possible;" or, "110 nanoseconds latency via cross-ccx-memory-performance is nothing to sneeze at or disregard or a non-issue;"

    instead, i get the replies above; which doesn't need to be repeated since one can just read them. but, just in case, the replies basically say I am trolling such as the most recent from user Gastec; and someone prior I jumped to my conclusion of pointing my scrawny little finger at Infinity Fabric high memory latency; someone plain said I didn't know what I was talking about; etc!

    So, I just wanna say that as my one last piece. It's odd no one has aired to the caution of objectivity and just plain responded with "It's possible..."

    Instead, we get the usual techligious/fanboyish responses.
  • Qasar - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link

    it doesnt help, you also havent cited any links or other proof of this other then your own posts... and i quote " And, there are people having head-scratching issues similar to me with Ryzen CPU. " oh.. and where are these other people ?? where are the links and URLs that show this ??? lastly.. IF you have a spare hdd ( ssd or mechanical ) that isnt in use that you could install windows on to, so you wont have to touch the current one you are using, try installing windows on to that, update windows as much as you can via windows update, update all drivers, and do the same things you are doing to get this issue.. and see if you still get it.. if you do.. then it isnt your current install of windows, and it is something else. Reply
  • Carmen00 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link

    Qasar, Gastec et al, I appreciate that you're trying to educate wurizen but when you get responses like "bruh!" and "Really?", I think it's time to call it quits. Like HStewart, feeding wurizen will just encourage him and that makes it difficult to go through the comments and see the important ones. Trust that the majority of Anandtech's readership is indeed savvy enough to know pseudo-technical BS when we encounter it! Reply
  • Qasar - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link

    well.. the fact that he didnt cite any one else with this problem, or links to forums/web pages.. kind of showed he was just trolling.. but i figured... was worth a shot to give him some sort of help.... Reply

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