Analyzing Intel Core M Performance: How 5Y10 can beat 5Y71 & the OEMs' Dilemmaby Brett Howse & Ian Cutress on April 8, 2015 8:00 AM EST
Intel’s Plans for Core M, and the OEMs' Dilemma
When Intel put its plans on the table for Core M, it had one primary target that was repeated almost mantra-like to the media through the press: the aim for fanless tablets using the Core architecture. In terms of physical device considerations and the laws of physics themselves, this meant that for any given chassis temperature and tablet size and thickness, there was an ideal SoC power to aim for:
Core M is clocked and binned such that an 11.6-inch tablet at 8mm thick will only hit 41°C skin temperature with a 4.5 watt SoC in a fanless design. In Intel's conceptual graph we see that moving thinner to a 7mm chassis has a bigger effect than moving down from 10mm to 8mm, and that the screen dimensions have a near linear response. This graph indicates only for a metal chassis at 41°C under 25°C ambient, but this is part of the OEM dilemma.
When an OEM designs a device for Core M, or any SoC for that matter, they have to consider construction and industrial design as well as overriding performance. The design team has to know the limitations of the hardware, but also has to provide something interesting in that market in order to gain share within the budgets set forth by those that control the beans.
This, broadly speaking, gives the OEM control over several components that are out of the hands of the processor designers. Screen size, thickness, industrial design, and skin temperature all have their limits, and adjusting those knobs opens the door to slower or faster Core M units, depending on what the company decides to target. Despite Intel’s aim for fanless designs, some OEMs have also gone with fans anyway to help remove those limits, however it is not always that simple.
The OEMs' dilemma, for lack of a better phrase, is heat soak causing the SoC to throttle in frequency and performance.
How an OEM chooses to design their products around power consumption and temperature lies at the heart of the device's performance, and can be controlled at the deepest level by the SoC manufacturer through implementing different power states. This in turn is taken advantage of in firmware by the OEM on the motherboard that can choose to move between the different states through external analysis of battery levels, external sensors for temperature and what exactly is plugged in. Further to this is the operating system and software, which can also be predefined by the OEM by add-ins at the point of sale over the base – this goes for both Windows and OS X. More often than not, the combination of product design and voltage/frequency response is the ultimate play in performance, and this balance can be difficult to get right when designing an ‘ideal’ system within a specified price range.
To say this is a new issue would be to disregard the years of product design up until this point. Intel used to diffentiate in this space by defining the Scenario Design Power (SDP) of a processor, meaning that the OEM should aim for a thermal dissipation target equal to the SDP. In some circles, this was seen as a diversionary tactic away from the true thermal design power properties of the silicon, and was seemingly scrapped soon after introduction. That being said, the 5Y10c model of the Core M line up officially has a SDP of 3.5W, although it still has the same specifications as the 5Y10. Whether this 3.5W SDP is a precautionary measure or not, we are unsure.
For those of us with an interest in the tablet, notebook, and laptop industry, we’ve seen a large number of oddly designed products that either get very hot due to a combination of things, or are super loud due to fans as well as bad design. The key issue at hand is heat soak from the SoC and surrounding components. Heat soak lies in the ability (or lack of) for the chassis to absorb heat and spread it across a large area. This mostly revolves around the heatsink arrangement and whether the device can move heat away from the important areas quickly enough.
The thermal conductivity (measured in watts per meter Kelvin) of the heatpipes/heatsinks and the specific heat capacity (measured in joules per Kelvin per kilogram) define how much heat the system can hold and how the temperature can increase in an environment devoid of airflow. This is obviously important towards the fanless end of the spectrum for tablets and 2-in-1s which Core M is aimed at, but in order to add headroom to avoid heat soak requires fundamentally adding mass, which is often opposite of what the OEM wants to do. One would imagine that a sufficiently large device with a fan would have a higher SoC/skin temperature tolerance, but this is where heat soak can play a role – without a sufficient heat movement mechanism, the larger device can be in a position where overheating happens quicker than in a smaller device.
Examples of Thermal Design/Skin Temperature in Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 during 3DMark
Traditionally either a sufficiently large heatsink (which might include the chassis itself) or a fan is used to provide a temperature delta and drive heat away. In the Core M units that we have tested at AnandTech so far this year, we have seen a variety of implementations with and without fans and in a variety of form factors. But the critical point of all of this comes down to how the OEM defines the SoC/skin temperature limitations of the device, and this ends up being why the low-end Core M-5Y10 can beat the high-end Core M-5Y71, and is a poignant part of our tests.
Simply put, if the system with 5Y10 has a higher SoC/skin temperature, it can stay in its turbo mode for longer and can end up outperforming a 5Y71, leading to some of the unusual results we've seen so far.
The skin temperature response by the SoC is also at the mercy of firmware updates, meaning that from BIOS to BIOS, performance may be different. As always, our reviews are a snapshot in time. Typically we test our Windows tablets, 2-in-1s and laptops on the BIOS they are shipped with barring any game-breaking situation which necessarily requires an update. But OEMs can change this at any time, as we experienced in our recent HTC One M9 review, which resulted in a new software update giving a lower skin temperature.
We looped back to Intel to discuss the situation. Ultimately they felt that their guidelines are clear, and it is up to the OEM to produce a design they feel comfortable shipping with the hardware they want to have inside it. Although they did point out that there are two sides to every benchmark, and it will heavily depend on the benchmark length and the solution design for performance:
|Intel Core M Response|
|Low Skin/SoC Temperature Setting||High Skin/SoC Temperature Setting|
|Short Benchmark||Full Turbo||Full Turbo|
|Medium Benchmark||Depends on Design||Turbo|
|Long Benchmark||Low Power State||Depends on Design|
Ultimately, short benchmarks should all follow the turbo mode guidelines. How short is short? Well that depends on the thermal conductivity of the design, but we might consider light office work to be of the same sort of nature. When longer benchmarks come into play, the SoC/skin temperature, the design of the system and the software controlling the turbo modes can kick in and reduce the CPU temperature, resulting in a slower system.
What This Means for devices like the Apple MacBook
Apple’s latest MacBook launch has caused a lot of fanfare. There has been a lot of talk based on the very small size of the internal PCB as well as the chassis design being extremely thin. Apple is offering a range of different configurations, including the highest Core M bin, the 5Y71, which in its standard mode which allows a 4.5W part to turbo up to 2.9 GHz. That being said, and Apple having the clout they do, it would be somewhat impossible to determine if these are normal cores or special low-voltage binned processors from Intel, but either way the Apple chassis design has the same issue as other mobile devices, and perhaps even more so. With the PCB being small and the bulk of the design based on batteries, without a sufficient chassis-based dispersion cooling system, there is a potential for heat soak and a reduction in frequencies. It all depends on Apple’s design, and the setting for the skin temperature.
Core M vs. Broadwell-U
The OEMs' dilemma also plays a role higher up in the TDP stack, specifically due to how more energy being lost as heat is being generated. But because Core M is a premium play in the low power space, the typical rules are a little relaxed for Broadwell-U due to its pricing, not to mention the fact that the stringent design restrictions associated with premium products are only present for the super high end. None the less, we are going to see some exceptional Core M devices that can get very close to Broadwell-U in performance at times. To that end, we’ve included an i5-5200U data set with our results here today.
Big thanks to Brett for accumulating and analyzing all this data in this review.
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OneCosmic833 - Friday, April 10, 2015 - linkI don't really understand, why don't the manufacturers put a little bigger heatsink with a FAN of bigger diameter into these portable devices, is it such a problem??? Production costs reduction or bad engineering? I think it would be also possible to keep the same weight if they cut some bulk mass from somewhere else of the device. Simply this throttling is not acceptable for me and an i7 should not have lower performance than i5 in sustained load...This is very very sad for us consumers, like how the manufacturers skimp us ! ! !
metayoshi - Friday, April 10, 2015 - linkGreat article!
I'm very interested in this, though, after reading the whole article: I noticed the Asus laptop with the metal chassis was the one with the 5Y10, and the two devices that are usable as a tablet/is a tablet are the two devices with the 5Y71. However, I know that the Venue 11 Pro comes with a 5Y10 for its base configuration, so it would be interesting to see how that 5Y10 version compares vs the 5Y71 version, knowing it is thermally handicapped compared to the Lenovo, with its fan, and the Asus, which is a laptop with a metal chassis.
I was originally eyeing the Venue 11 Pro, but I jumped on the preorders of the less powerful but still capable Surface 3 with the new Atom SoC. I'm really intrigued by Core M, but all these stories of throttling and whatnot are keeping me away for now.
serendip - Friday, April 10, 2015 - linkIntel has a decent mobile chip with Atom. Core M, not so much. I would rather have a slower Atom chip that costs a lot less and can turbo for long periods than a Core M with much higher performance that isn't accessible to the user thanks to constant throttling. Maybe there should be a caveat on Core M devices like "2.4 GHz processor (for 10 seconds only), base 1 GHz". That way consumers know what they're really in for.
ahfei - Tuesday, April 14, 2015 - linkIs 2.6GHz the maximum turbo speed for M-5Y71 for 2 cores, judging from the graph? Cannot find that info anywhere and some even stated the maximum 2.9GHz is for both cores!
Brett Howse - Sunday, April 19, 2015 - linkI have never seen them go over 2.6 GHz for both cores. 2.9 GHz seems to be just for a single core.
boe_d - Saturday, April 18, 2015 - linkI like the Sony Vaio Z approach - balls the walls hardware, fast processing power, fast storage, fast video and LIGHT. Still lighter than most laptops 5 years later and faster than many of them too! Battery power wasn't great but it had an easy to replace battery.
RanBuch - Saturday, July 18, 2015 - linkI own a Lenovo yoga 3 pro. Can I configure the SoC temperature from 65°C to a higher value? I use the device as a "desktop" more often then a tablet and would love to get more juice from my machine even at the expense of the device "overheating" a little bit.
HP - Wednesday, August 5, 2015 - linkThese processors are perfectly decent. But at the same time, really novel due to the fact that no active cooling is required to run them. This in my view is a positive progression in CPUs together with the SoC philosophy. To have everything integrated into a smaller space. Many users might complain about performance but I bet they don't use their i5 or i7 machines to the fullest potential either. Core-M performance is perfectly decent. Granted, the only slow downs I have experienced is when compiling a Linux kernel say or running multiple FHD videos. But such tasks are run on a less than regular basis so a slight slow down in speed during these exercises is acceptable. The rest of the tasks get carried out very well in a thin, light and quiet design.
Atreyiu - Tuesday, February 2, 2016 - linkI know many will disagree with me, but I am a regular user and I hate when my Venue 11 Pro 7140 (5Y10, 64 Gb, 04 Gb RAM) is heated so much that I can not put my right hand in it, that temperature is unbearable from 55 ° C upwards. Should not rise beyond what your skin can handle. This happens pretty and very quickly, then to lower spend enough time. I'm thinking let go of it and look for an alternative. I wanted a balanced team between productivity and way of life, but these temperature rises disenchanted me and the only thing that bothers me because it is fast and has no crashes or anything like that.
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