Skylake Iris Pro hits Intel’s Pricing Lists: Xeon E3-1575M v5 with GT4eby Ian Cutress on January 26, 2016 12:17 PM EST
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One of our forum members, Sweepr, posted Intel’s latest pricing list for OEMs dated the 24th of January and it contained a number of interesting parts worth documenting. The Braswell parts and Skylake Celerons were disclosed over the past few months are now available to OEMs, but it’s the parts with Iris Pro that have our attention.
Iris Pro is Intel’s name for their high end graphics solution. Using their latest graphics microarchitecture, Gen9, Iris Pro packs in the most execution units (72) as well as a big scoop of eDRAM. At the minute we assume it’s the 128 MB edition as Intel’s roadmaps have stated a 4+4e part only on mobile, rather than a 4+3e part with 64 MB (only the 2+3e parts are listed as 64MB), although we are looking for confirmation.
The new parts are listed as:
Xeon E3-1575M v5 (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 3.00 GHz, 14nm) - $1,207
Xeon E3-1545M v5 (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.90 GHz, 14nm) - $679
Xeon E3-1515M v5 (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.80 GHz, 14nm) - $489
These will compare to the non-Iris Pro counterparts, running P530 graphics (4+2, 24 EUs):
Xeon E3-1535M v5 (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.90 GHz, 14nm) - $623
Xeon E3-1505M v5 (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 2.80 GHz, 14nm) - $434
As Sweepr points out, the difference between the 2.8-2.9 GHz parts is only $55-56. That is for both the increase in graphics EUs (24 to 72) as well as that extra on-package eDRAM.
The i7-4950HQ with 128 MB eDRAM
We have more reasons to be excited over the eDRAM in Skylake than what we saw before in Haswell with the i7-4950HQ on mobile and Broadwell on desktop with the i7-5775C, i5-5765C and the relevant Xeons. With the older platforms, the eDRAM was not a proper bidirectional cache per se. It was used as a victim cache, such that data that was spurned from the L3 cache on the CPU ended up in eDRAM, but the CPU could not place data from the DRAM into the eDRAM without using it first (prefetch prediction). This also meant that the eDRAM was invisible to any other devices on the system, and without specific hooks couldn’t be used by most software or peripherals.
With Skylake, this changes, the eDRAM lies beyond the L3 and the System Agent as a pathway to DRAM, meaning that any data that wants DRAM space will go through the eDRAM in search for it. Rather than acting as a pseudo-L4 cache, the eDRAM becomes a DRAM buffer and automatically transparent to any software (CPU or IGP) that requires DRAM access. As a result, other hardware that communicates through the system agent (such as PCIe devices or data from the chipset) and requires information in DRAM does not need to navigate through the L3 cache on the processor. Technically graphics workloads still need to circle around the system agent, perhaps drawing a little more power, but GPU drivers need not worry about the size of the eDRAM when it becomes buffer-esque and is accessed before the memory controller is adjusted into a higher power read request. The underlying message is that the eDRAM is now observed by all DRAM accesses, allowing it to be fully coherent and no need for it to be flushed to maintain that coherence. Also, for display engine tasks, it can bypass the L3 when required in a standard DRAM access scenario. While the purpose of the eDRAM is to be as seamless as possible, Intel is allowing some level on control at the driver level allowing textures larger than the L3 to reside only in eDRAM in order to prevent overwriting the data contained in the L3 and having to recache it for other workloads.
We go into more detail on the changes to Skylake’s eDRAM in our microarchitecture analysis piece, back from September.
The fact that Intel is approaching the mobile Xeon market first, rather than the consumer market as in Haswell, should be noted. eDRAM has always been seen as a power play for heavy DRAM workloads, which arguably occur more in professional environments. That still doesn’t stop desktop users requesting it as well – the fact that the jump from 4+2 to a 4+4e package is only $55-$56 means that if we apply the same metrics to desktop processors, an i5-6600K with eDRAM would be $299 in retail (vs. $243 MSRP on the standard i5-6600K).
One of the big tasks this year will be to see how the eDRAM, in the new guise as a DRAM buffer, makes a difference to consumer and enterprise workloads. Now that there are two pairs of CPUs on Intel’s pricing list that are identical aside from the eDRAM, we have to go searching for a source. It seems that HP has already released a datasheet showing the HP ZBook 17 G3 Mobile Workstation as being offered with the E3-1575 v5, which Intel lists as a whopping $1207. That's certainly not the extra $55.
Source: AnandTech Forums, Intel
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nandnandnand - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkOnly enthusiasts want more than 4 cores. The majority of the market will use iGPU on laptops.
michael2k - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkThe vast majority of the market wants the iGPU because it is cheaper and more power efficient than using an external GPU. You're the odd duck out here.
BillyONeal - Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - linkThere aren't magical power gains to be had here just because the GPU is on-die. The power improvements here come from Intel being 2-3 process nodes ahead of the dGPU vendors.
patrickjp93 - Wednesday, February 3, 2016 - linkUh, yes there are. You don't have to transmit the electricity over the PCIe bus, and Intel's manufacturing is much more tuned for lowering the power usage.
extide - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkYeah, no. I want my next laptop to have Iris Pro and NO DGPU! I don't game much on mobile and Iris Pro will be more than enough. These chips are extremely exciting to me. My perfect laptop would be a 4+4e cpu + 32GB DDR4, and a 1TB pcie ssd + 2TB spinning disk. C'mon Clevo, lets do it! Also, I want it to be in a sturdy chassis, like a Dell/HP/Lenovo business class laptop. My current Clevo, which is awesome, is all plastic and I am always afraid of breaking it. Plus it has a dgpu that I don't use much, but even when it's powered down it still uses some power.
DanNeely - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkIs anyone selling full power Skylake mobile (45W, 4 physical cores) chips in a laptop that doesn't include a dGPU? I was looking the other week, and couldn't find anything newer than haswell with full power CPUs unless I also included a dGPU.
boogerlad - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkThe NP3652 is the only one.
tipoo - Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - linkI have the Iris Pro Macbook 15". I was surprised that it has to use a lot more TDP than the discreet graphics models, regularly hovering around 99C under CPU/GPU load. Iris Pro is efficient at idle, but not at load, where it falls well behind AMD/Nvidia graphics architectures in efficiency.
BillyONeal - Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - linkdiscrete, not discreet :) (Unless you mean a GPU that doesn't tell secrets ;))
alysdexia - Sunday, December 16, 2018 - linkThat's temperature, not power.