Intel Launches Tiger Lake: A Live Blog (Noon ET, 9am PT)
by Dr. Ian Cutress on September 2, 2020 11:56 AM EST
11:58AM EDT - Intel is about to launch Tiger Lake. Follow along with our Live Blog!
11:59AM EDT - Here we go
11:59AM EDT - Greg Bryant on the deck
11:59AM EDT - Helping people connect in the current environment
12:00PM EDT - Challenged ourselves to advance the PC platform
12:00PM EDT - Several new ground breaking updates
12:00PM EDT - Leading the ecosystem
12:00PM EDT - Starting witht he partners
12:00PM EDT - Acer, Microsoft
12:01PM EDT - Best Buy, HP
12:01PM EDT - Shifting to use cases
12:01PM EDT - Dell
12:01PM EDT - Google
12:01PM EDT - Raja Koduri
12:01PM EDT - Samsung
12:01PM EDT - IQIYI
12:01PM EDT - JD.com, Tripwire
12:02PM EDT - Reducing the barrier between the human and the work they're doing
12:02PM EDT - Adobe, JOYY, IDC
12:02PM EDT - Lenovo
12:02PM EDT - Using new technologies with Intel, stretching the boundaries
12:02PM EDT - ASUS
12:02PM EDT - Working across the industry
12:03PM EDT - 'World's Best Processor!'
12:03PM EDT - 9 new SKUs for Tiger Lake
12:03PM EDT - Not an exaggeration
12:03PM EDT - Best Intel CPU Intel has ever built
12:03PM EDT - best CPU on the market
12:03PM EDT - beats the imitators
12:03PM EDT - PC without compromise
12:04PM EDT - New CPU up to 4.8 GHz
12:04PM EDT - New Xe GPU
12:04PM EDT - Industry Leading AI and TB4
12:04PM EDT - Thin and light designs
12:04PM EDT - Samsung system - Tiger Lake plus 5G
12:05PM EDT - ASUS Expertbook - 14inch only 870g
12:05PM EDT - More than 50 new designs in total
12:05PM EDT - 50 designs in market for holiday, over 150+ designs in total
12:05PM EDT - New Branding
12:05PM EDT - 4x faster for content creators
12:05PM EDT - +20% on productivity
12:06PM EDT - Iris Xe graphics, Better than 90% of all discrete GPU notebooks sold last year
12:06PM EDT - Now Boyd Phelps
12:06PM EDT - Redefined 10nm to 10nm SuperFin
12:06PM EDT - CPU redesigned to enable frequency gains
12:07PM EDT - 40nm Poly Pitch ((did he say that?))
12:07PM EDT - Leakage sensitive IPs
12:07PM EDT - lowered voltage across the board
12:07PM EDT - Redefined metal stack
12:08PM EDT - We created magic
12:08PM EDT - much lower voltages
12:08PM EDT - Up to 2x graphics perf
12:08PM EDT - 5x better AI perf
12:09PM EDT - Wi-Fi 6, TB4, USB4
12:09PM EDT - PCIe Gen4 attach up to 32 Gbps (that's PCIe 4.0 x4)
12:09PM EDT - LPD5 memory controller
12:10PM EDT - Intro video
12:11PM EDT - Not possible with other processors on the market
12:11PM EDT - Now AI and media
12:11PM EDT - Measuring more than benchmarks
12:11PM EDT - actual application performance is critical
12:12PM EDT - Upscaling
12:12PM EDT - comparing to 4800U
12:12PM EDT - Intel is over 200% faster than AMD
12:12PM EDT - Not all cores are created equal
12:13PM EDT - Intel nearly 100% faster in Adobe Export
12:13PM EDT - VCE limited workload
12:13PM EDT - Now Microsoft teams demo
12:13PM EDT - vacuuming in the background
12:14PM EDT - 11th Gen comes with background noise removal
12:14PM EDT - 11th Gen Core is the best at everything you do most
12:14PM EDT - Comparing Intel to AMD
12:14PM EDT - What AMD system is that? Looks like a bulky Lenovo
12:15PM EDT - 11th Gen is better than MX350
12:15PM EDT - Gears Tactics
12:16PM EDT - (It's worth noting that Gears Tactics doesn't have a fixed seed benchmark and has +/- 10% variation on a single run)
12:16PM EDT - Up to 2x higher frame rates for ultraportables
12:16PM EDT - Now Project Athena
12:17PM EDT - Innovate beyond the CPU
12:17PM EDT - Set of requirements to be Athena certified
12:18PM EDT - Athena 1.0 had 50+ designs
12:18PM EDT - Not stopping here
12:18PM EDT - 11th Gen core - next gen Athena laptops
12:19PM EDT - 25+ performance and responsiveness tests
12:19PM EDT - 9+ hours on FHD
12:20PM EDT - 4hrs charge in 30 minutes
12:20PM EDT - TB4, Wi-Fi 6 required
12:20PM EDT - The Best laptops available
12:20PM EDT - DJ Diplo to the stage
12:21PM EDT - The laptop is my instrument
12:21PM EDT - Ooooh looks like Intel Evo
12:21PM EDT - New streaming environment for DJs
12:21PM EDT - 20-30k viewers on twitch
12:21PM EDT - Always stay connected to technology
12:22PM EDT - 'Peace and Love Intel - DJ Diplo'
12:22PM EDT - The most advanced components and technologies
12:22PM EDT - Now PC Gaming
12:22PM EDT - 1.2 B gamers worldwide
12:23PM EDT - Playing popular eSports games on laptops now possible on 11th Gen
12:23PM EDT - Game stream and record on the laptops
12:23PM EDT - The competition can't keep up despite having more cores
12:24PM EDT - College students need battery life and connectivity speed
12:24PM EDT - Managing tabs and programs at once
12:24PM EDT - Work anywhere you like and never miss a beat
12:24PM EDT - Athena laptops wake in a second
12:25PM EDT - video showing 4K scrubbing for video editing.... but the comment about battery life, not scrubbing perfromance
12:25PM EDT - People don't use PCs, they try to get stuff done, so we don't want the PC to be in the way
12:27PM EDT - Now branding
12:27PM EDT - These advancements are leaps due to a new approach to engineering
12:28PM EDT - setting a new bar for laptop experiences without compromise
12:28PM EDT - 11th Gen and Athena are exceptional
12:28PM EDT - Introducing Intel Evo
12:28PM EDT - 1000s of hours of co-engineering
12:28PM EDT - A new marketing campaign with partners
12:28PM EDT - new era for Intel
12:28PM EDT - Embrace the future of our iconic brand
12:29PM EDT - Today is Intel's 3rd major pivot
12:29PM EDT - requires a new logo
12:29PM EDT - new global brand
12:29PM EDT - (was that an s775 processor)
12:29PM EDT - Entire portfolio gets an updated look, including Xeon and Optane
12:30PM EDT - Only Intel has the unmatched assets to do this
12:30PM EDT - Strong ecosystem partners and thousands of engineers
12:31PM EDT - Evo is a badge to signify the most advanced laptops on the market
12:31PM EDT - Now it's your turn
12:32PM EDT - Ending video it seems - but it's such a low bit rate
12:33PM EDT - All the disclaimers
12:33PM EDT - There are some press-only 'Blueprints' sessions later today. Let's see if we get more info from them. Bye for now!
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cyrusfox - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
The ryzen 4800U is configurable up to 25W TDP, Tigerlake up to 28, both can also go down, Tigerlake to 9W, and Ryzen to 10W. Why the negativity? Its a new product launch and it is looking a lot better than icelake.Impossible to know for sure anything from the presentation in terms of what the manufacturer configured the CPU to pull at(TDP). Independent reviews will explain exactly how much increase in performance we should expect.
Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
"configurable" is not the issue here; "default" is. 28-watt is the default TDP that they are now shipping with that is the issue here. These pie-in-the-sky numbers are based on this sleight-of-hand. Look at the articles online prior to this sanitized press announcement. They have been warning about these 28-watt TDP shenanigans for months now.Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
lol. See the next article. "Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake: Up to 4.8 GHz at 50 W, 2x GPU with Xe, New Branding""Up to 4.8 GHz at 50 W."
Ouch.
PCWarrior - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
Intel with Iris Graphics has traditionally been 28W. The additional tdp is for the gpu in case you have both cpu and gpu working at the same time in full load like in gaming. In any case they are comparing it against the 4800U which has a tdp of 25W. Also bear in mind that for AMD the tdp figure is meaningless. What is of meaning is the PPT (package power tracking) which for cpus with 105W tdp (e.g. 3900X) is 142W and for cpus with 65W tdp (e.g. 3700X) is 88W. In other words AMD sets the real TDP to be 35.2% higher than the advertised one.More importantly in notebooks, AMD applies a power management algorithm which is similar to Intel’s PL1 and PL2 (they call them PPT-Long and PPT-Short respectively). An AMD mobile cpu turbos to PPT-short similar to how Intel turbos to PL2 and then downclocks to whatever frequency is sustained for PPT-Long (which is equal to 1.35xTDP)).
I don’t know what are the values for PPT-short and PPT-long for the 4800U as AMD has not disclosed them. But we are looking for at least 35% over the TDP figure for PPT-long so a sustained power draw of 33.8W with short boosts to a PPT-short of likely 50W.
PCWarrior - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
By the way the nominal tdp for these Intel cpus (including the 1185G7 that boosts to 4.8GHZ) is 15W. They have configurable tdp that can go down to 9W and up to 28W. From the article.“These processors have a nominal TDP of 15 W, but can be pushed up or down in power by laptop companies depending on how they build their systems. At the top end is Intel’s Core i7-1165G7, a quad core processor with hyperthreading and the full 12 MB of L3 cache. It has a base frequency of 3.0 GHz, a single-core turbo frequency of 4.8 GHz, and an all-core turbo frequency of 4.3 GHz.”
The 50W figure you mention is for the H-series cpus, a speculation based on a chart that Intel showed during the Architecture day showing Tigerlake having performance scalability up to 65W.
Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link
Dude, the *measured power draw* from the Lenovo Yoga Slim with 4800U is ~25W at boost and ~18W sustained. The *entire system* doesn't consume more than 50W under a parasitic load on both the GPU and CPU. You were here speculating some theoretical number of angels dancing on a pinhead while the actual numbers were already out there.Meanwhile we now have confirmation that the 3.0Ghz "base" clocks are at 28W (1.2Ghz at 12W) and the 4.8Ghz turbo is at 50W.
I hate shills.
JasonMZW20 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
My 4700U hits about 25-30W when both CPU and iGPU are used and plugged in. Full CPU is 15W and doesn't seem to exceed that.Competition is good. AMD will have to bring Zen 3 and ULP Navi with LPDDR5, which was already planned with Van Gogh.
Solendore - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
Hello there! :) The comparisons were done on 4800U extreme performance power level (~28-30W) vs Intel 1185G7 at peak power (~28-30W). https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/joao-silva/...Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
Funny. The source tweet is deleted. Not buying it.Solendore - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-tiger-lake... I can provide you with more information sources if needed. But Intel really took the single and quad core (95+% of especially <35W PC usage models don't scale beyond 4 cores in 2020) performance lead by a significant margin, sometimes more than 2X and averaging good 25-30%