T-Mobile is expected to be launching LTE for AWS later this year. Do you think they can bring it back? Or is the Nexus 4 performing out-of-spec in LTE operation and can never get certified?
I know people here who have been using LTE here in Canada with little to no issues.
I think that's the real question right now. To be honest, I have to wonder whether there wasn't some back and forth about that originally being the plan, but then again why not file the change right now and deliver said device? If it had stuck around longer, I'd say that's likely, given the explicit removal, it seems less so.
Has anyone tried to see if the thermal throttling has been fixed? I tried to reproduce it by running all the tests in GLBenchmark and saw no signs of throttling.
I sent an email yesterday to Anand tips about the same issue. I also just recently ran the GLBenchmark and received the same results as their "freezer" run with no sign of throttling in sight.
How wonderful, now all of the Canadians who imported the Nexus 4 to use on Canadian LTE networks can have their phones downgraded to obsolescence overnight! This can surely do nothing but improve customer satisfaction.
They were using it an unsupported manner, permission for which was not sought after. It does exactly what the specs say it can. This is not bad, in any way. Anyone who wants the functionality can use an old radio image.
I agree that it was not supported, and anyone relying on an unsupported Band was taking a foolish risk, However, I will argue that it IS a bad thing for those who were using and relying on the LTE capability. So "not bad in any way" just sounds kind of asinine. The support was in there from the beginning, even in an unofficial capacity. If they didn't want users enabling it, they should have blocked it from the very start! Don't try to tell me they didn't know, this is a piss poor showing on Google's part. Now these folks have a Nexus and they still have to rely on third party support again.
Of course, I've said from the start, no official LTE and no memory card? No thanks LG and Google. I don't care how cheap it is. I told HTC to shove it with their 8X too.
If you don't tale the damned FCC and violations involved, in all of this garbage, why not? Are they really on the losing battle if we are treated to LTE on this phone or is this just a piss poor job on Google's part to bow down to other's greedy needs? Come on Goggle! Use your legal leverage for once for Christ's sakes!!!
"Goggle" isn't your friend. They aren't anyone's friend. They are an advertising company, they care about you about as much as Facebook cares about its users. I agree that this was crappy of Google, but not just because they removed it. They should have made sure it was not accessible in the first place! To give and then take away is crap. They could have at least made a statement early on saying that the feature was unsupported and would be removed in a future update, to warn users from purchasing the device with the intention of using this Band.
Anyway, they were in violation of FCC rules and they knew it. They don't really have any legal recourse. The FCC exists for a reason, and trust me, you don't want a "Wild West Radio" scenario - a market flooded with unregulated devices is a BAD IDEA. So whether or not understand WHY the FCC needs to regulate, test, certify, etc., is irrelevant.
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A5 - Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - link
Would've been nice for it to stick around officially, but I guess that's what XDA is for.SnowCat00 - Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - link
Looks like I will be looking at 3rd party updates, I don't want to miss out using Band 4 LTE on T-Mobile later in the year.SHAME on you Google & LG!
A5 - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
I think "shame" is an awfully strong word for removing an unofficial feature that was technically in violation of the law.Tetracycloide - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
Violation of the law how?abaez - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
You need FCC approval for LTE - this did not have FCC approval. Google had to take it out.shabby - Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - link
Apparently if you flash the older .33 radio from 4.2.1 you'll get lte back http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2...Brian Klug - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
Ahh, not too surprising, I'm glad someone kept an image around, plenty of people just won't update as well.-Brian
xaueious - Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - link
T-Mobile is expected to be launching LTE for AWS later this year. Do you think they can bring it back? Or is the Nexus 4 performing out-of-spec in LTE operation and can never get certified?I know people here who have been using LTE here in Canada with little to no issues.
Brian Klug - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
I think that's the real question right now. To be honest, I have to wonder whether there wasn't some back and forth about that originally being the plan, but then again why not file the change right now and deliver said device? If it had stuck around longer, I'd say that's likely, given the explicit removal, it seems less so.-Brian
Paulman - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
I still believe. I still believe.- signed, from Canada
eiriklf - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
Has anyone tried to see if the thermal throttling has been fixed? I tried to reproduce it by running all the tests in GLBenchmark and saw no signs of throttling.Chillin1248 - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
I sent an email yesterday to Anand tips about the same issue. I also just recently ran the GLBenchmark and received the same results as their "freezer" run with no sign of throttling in sight.Guspaz - Thursday, February 14, 2013 - link
How wonderful, now all of the Canadians who imported the Nexus 4 to use on Canadian LTE networks can have their phones downgraded to obsolescence overnight! This can surely do nothing but improve customer satisfaction.piroroadkill - Friday, February 15, 2013 - link
They were using it an unsupported manner, permission for which was not sought after. It does exactly what the specs say it can. This is not bad, in any way. Anyone who wants the functionality can use an old radio image.Alexvrb - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - link
I agree that it was not supported, and anyone relying on an unsupported Band was taking a foolish risk, However, I will argue that it IS a bad thing for those who were using and relying on the LTE capability. So "not bad in any way" just sounds kind of asinine. The support was in there from the beginning, even in an unofficial capacity. If they didn't want users enabling it, they should have blocked it from the very start! Don't try to tell me they didn't know, this is a piss poor showing on Google's part. Now these folks have a Nexus and they still have to rely on third party support again.Of course, I've said from the start, no official LTE and no memory card? No thanks LG and Google. I don't care how cheap it is. I told HTC to shove it with their 8X too.
blueboy11 - Friday, February 15, 2013 - link
If you don't tale the damned FCC and violations involved, in all of this garbage, why not? Are they really on the losing battle if we are treated to LTE on this phone or is this just a piss poor job on Google's part to bow down to other's greedy needs? Come on Goggle! Use your legal leverage for once for Christ's sakes!!!Alexvrb - Sunday, February 17, 2013 - link
"Goggle" isn't your friend. They aren't anyone's friend. They are an advertising company, they care about you about as much as Facebook cares about its users. I agree that this was crappy of Google, but not just because they removed it. They should have made sure it was not accessible in the first place! To give and then take away is crap. They could have at least made a statement early on saying that the feature was unsupported and would be removed in a future update, to warn users from purchasing the device with the intention of using this Band.Anyway, they were in violation of FCC rules and they knew it. They don't really have any legal recourse. The FCC exists for a reason, and trust me, you don't want a "Wild West Radio" scenario - a market flooded with unregulated devices is a BAD IDEA. So whether or not understand WHY the FCC needs to regulate, test, certify, etc., is irrelevant.