A Quick Note on Architecture & Features

With pages upon pages of architectural documents still to get through in only a few hours, for today’s launch news I’m not going to have the time to go in depth on new features or the architecture. So I want to very briefly hit the high points on what the major features are, and also provide some answers to what are likely to be some common questions.

Starting with the architecture itself, one of the biggest changes for RDNA is the width of a wavefront, the fundamental group of work. GCN in all of its iterations was 64 threads wide, meaning 64 threads were bundled together into a single wavefront for execution. RDNA drops this to a native 32 threads wide. At the same time, AMD has expanded the width of their SIMDs from 16 slots to 32 (aka SIMD32), meaning the size of a wavefront now matches the SIMD size. This is one of AMD’s key architectural efficiency changes, as it helps them keep their SIMD slots occupied more often. It also means that a wavefront can be passed through the SIMDs in a single cycle, instead of over 4 cycles on GCN parts.

In terms of compute, there are not any notable feature changes here as far as gaming is concerned. How things work under the hood has changed dramatically at points, but from the perspective of a programmer, there aren’t really any new math operations here that are going to turn things on their head. RDNA of course supports Rapid Packed Math (Fast FP16), so programmers who make use of FP16 will get to enjoy those performance benefits.

With a single exception, there also aren’t any new graphics features. Navi does not include any hardware ray tracing support, nor does it support variable rate pixel shading. AMD is aware of the demands for these, and hardware support for ray tracing is in their roadmap for RDNA 2 (the architecture formally known as “Next Gen”). But none of that is present here.

The one exception to all of this is the primitive shader. Vega’s most infamous feature is back, and better still it’s enabled this time. The primitive shader is compiler controlled, and thanks to some hardware changes to make it more useful, it now makes sense for AMD to turn it on for gaming. Vega’s primitive shader, though fully hardware functional, was difficult to get a real-world performance boost from, and as a result AMD never exposed it on Vega.

Unique in consumer parts for the new 5700 series cards is support for PCI Express 4.0. Designed to go hand-in-hand with AMD’s Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, which are introducing support for the feature as well, PCIe 4.0 doubles the amount of bus bandwidth available to the card, rising from ~16GB/sec to ~32GB/sec. The real world performance implications of this are limited at this time, especially for a card in the 5700 series’ performance segment. But there are situations where it will be useful, particularly on the content creation side of matters.

Finally, AMD has partially updated their display controller. I say “partially” because while it’s technically an update, they aren’t bringing much new to the table. Notably, HDMI 2.1 support isn’t present – nor is more limited support for HDMI 2.1 Variable Rate Refresh. Instead, AMD’s display controller is a lot like Vega’s: DisplayPort 1.4 and HDMI 2.0b, including support for AMD’s proprietary Freesync-over-HDMI standard. So AMD does have variable rate capabilities for TVs, but it isn’t the HDMI standard’s own implementation.

The one notable change here is support for DisplayPort 1.4 Display Stream Compression. DSC, as implied by the name, compresses the image going out to the monitor to reduce the amount of bandwidth needed. This is important going forward for 4K@144Hz displays, as DP1.4 itself doesn’t provide enough bandwidth for them (leading to other workarounds such as NVIDIA’s 4:2:2 chroma subsampling on G-Sync HDR monitors). This is a feature we’ve talked off and on about for a while, and it’s taken some time for the tech to really get standardized and brought to a point where it’s viable in a consumer product.

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  • SaberKOG91 - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    You can thank Nvidia for that one. AMD is just doing the smart thing and trying to earn higher margins rather than relying on volume shipments. I'm sure the prices will come down 100$ or more my Christmas.
  • Phynaz - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    Oh sure, Nvidia held a gun to AMD’s head.

    Fanboys are idiots.
  • SaberKOG91 - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    With all due respect, I am not a "fanboy". This is basic economics. If you price your product too far below that of a competitor, you decrease the perceived value of your product and miss out on higher margins. It's also important to recognize that a Turing refresh is on the way that will tack on 50-100$ to the successor of the 2070.
  • Meteor2 - Tuesday, June 11, 2019 - link

    We won’t see any refreshes to the 20x0 cards this year. GPUs aren’t on a annual release cadence.
  • SaberKOG91 - Tuesday, June 11, 2019 - link

    I'm talking about Nvidia's "Super" announcement. Faster GDDR6 for the existing cards. No different than the V100 refreshes.
  • Meteor2 - Tuesday, June 11, 2019 - link

    There has been no announcement. There are rumours, which I place firmly in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” category. The rumours consist of bumping RAM up by 2 Gb, and possibly increasing memory bandwidth. I’m not sure either or both would make a great deal of difference to frame rates. The GPUs themselves would be unchanged.
  • zinfamous - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    holy shit man. look at your pure garbage responses so far: you brought this nonsense here, and you only. "calling out fanboys" after introducing this garbage.

    what throwaway nvidia schwag did your lazy posts pay for, anyway?
  • Phynaz - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    So, have anything to say about this $450 ripoff? Three years later and it’s $50 less than a GTX 1080. Of course if you were waiting for another hot clocked AMD furnace then I guess you will be thrilled.
  • SaberKOG91 - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link

    The 2070 is currently 15% faster than a 1080 and sells for anywhere from 490-550+ USD. No one is paying 500$ for a 1080 without getting ripped off. Even if the 5700XT is only on par with 2070, it's 15% faster than the 1080 and at 40-100$ cheaper than the 2070.

    The Radeon VII runs ~10C hotter than the 2070 (74C) while drawing 60W more under load. The 5700XT has a 75W lower TDP than VII. So it stands to reason that it will not run much hotter than the 2070, even before we factor in AMD's blower redesign.
  • Phynaz - Tuesday, June 11, 2019 - link

    The 2070 has many features this card doesn’t. Only fanboys are happy to pay 2019 prices for 2016 tech.

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