My xps 13 2in1 and xps 15 2in1 both have 3.1 support - and Thunderbolt 3 - this Lenovo issue - maybe Lenovo use existing chipset with new CPU's I always had issues with Lenovo's (except Thinkpad) but never had issues with Dell.
If you take the Yoga 900, shrink the bezels, you can fit a larger screen. The device got slightly smaller while the screen got larger. What is to complaint about? More importantly, is there a better convertible? Not IMO.
As a convertible that is primarily a laptop, I think that 16:9 is quite ideal. If it was meant to be primarily a tablet, I too would support something squarer.
I disagree. I don't believe 16:9 is ideal even for a conventional laptop. Provided the screen width doesn't change, the extra horizontal screen real estate you get with 16:10 or 3:2 wont hurt the total area you get watching a movie, but it provides much more room for productivity tasks. When used in tablet mode (as intended by the Yoga series), 16:9 in both portrait and landscape orientation is unwieldy and just feels wrong.
Agree with lilmoe, I don't think 16x9 is good for anything other than watching videos, and is ok for games. Anything productivity-related or even web browsing and file management, something like 3:2 or even 16:10 is noticeably better IMO.
Absolutely. These 360-degree hinge devices would be great in 3:2 or 4:3. I'm baffled that we haven't seen anything except the pointless and dreadful 16:9.
IF manufacturers decided to keep the exact number of pixels when moving from 16:10 to 16:9, then all those arguments about things like video size would be valid. There's literally no difference between a 16:9 video on a screen of 16:9 or 16:10, though. They have the exact same pixel count across. All 16:9 means is you don't get as many pixels, and that's really annoying to a lot of people.
Why would anyone need a 4k display only 14 inches in size ? Can anyone tell me ? What can you use it for ? The other day I was in a BestBuy store looking at a Surface Book. Because of the high resolution display, one can hardly see the fonts.
Windows resolution scaling sucks, especially with ultra high res, so it isnt very useful when used as a standard laptop... However, when used as a tablet, you tend to hold it alot closer. That res is good if you have good eyes and want a perfectly clear picture... However, again, windows sucks as a tablet, so I dont know... If someone really needed a convertible one device fits all, like this or a surface, this is a great product though.
4K is also a lot more flexible than the previous 3200x1800, in that it can do 2:1 scaling for an apparent 1920x1080 for desktop work--about the highest resolution you'd want in that scenario, IMO, but still do native 4K for applications/media that would benefit.
If only there was some resolution that was 16:9 and also 1/2 of 3200x1800...
Seriously though, 16:9 is only ok for phones. Anywhere else we need 16:10 or taller. Trying to write or read long documents on 16:9 is terrible. Between the task bar and the ribbon on word it leaves you with about 3 inches of vertical space and 12 inches of horizontal.
I suppose its a matter of opinion, but I would say it's several stages beyond suck. I would also say the market agrees, as there really arent any that sell well.
It is not as bad as it used to be. I'm using Surface Pro 4 a lot these days, at default scaling... I think it is 200%? So far, only Photoshop CS5 looks horrendous, as it doesn't accept scaling at all... but CS5 is a few years old already, so hopefully new Photoshop scales better? Everything else I'm using does OK. Old programs GUI gets that blurry look, but it is at least usable. Newer programs and apps scale fine.
But yeah, definitely space for improvements. But I think it will be more down to developers updating their software and following modern guidelines, than MS themselves.
Are you kidding me? 13.9" 4K (3840 x 2160) vs 13.3" Glossy IPS 16:9 QHD+ (3200x1800) LED in 15W range and slightly thinner. I can definitely see those chips very soon kicking ARM minions out of the phone sockets.
When it comes to laptops, there's only one thing that matters for me:
SCREEN REAL ESTATE
The bigger the screen, the better. I bought a new Skylake based Lenovo laptop only 15 days ago, and it came with 17.3'' screen. This, alongwith a CPU with strong Single-Core performance, are my only major concerns when it comes to buying a laptop.
I'd never buy this specific Lenovo laptop, simply b/c its screen is waaaayyyy too small for my taste.
If you like big screen laptops, then you must like your laptop big and heavy. My colleague used to have a xps w 17 inch. Boy that was a big laptop.
I guess everyone looks for diff things. For me, it is the portability and good battery life. Not that I'm incline for QHD (more pricey, use more battery) though!
It's too bad Clementine Orange is gone. It almost directly matches our company colors. We absolutely loved having laptops that matched. It's also the best looking color. Good news is, the color choice is my only complaint.
Their current charging port is stupid in the existing yoga's. The two listed have entirely different adapters. If this one support 100% standard usbc charging, that's a HUGE victory for us. Most of our office phones are USBC, making power for this ubiquitous.
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MTEK - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
So no USB 3.1? I thought Kaby Lake had native support.MattMe - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
I had read previously that Kaby Lake was supposed to bring 3.1 support too. Not sure why it's taking so long to become standard.ddriver - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
No thunderbolt either...DanNeely - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
I've seen conflicting rumors but nothing official. It's possible it only does 3.1 gen 1 (aka the C port and alternate modes).Flunk - Friday, September 9, 2016 - link
I don't think there are any chipset changes, I think they just relabeled the Sky Lake chipsets.HStewart - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
My xps 13 2in1 and xps 15 2in1 both have 3.1 support - and Thunderbolt 3 - this Lenovo issue - maybe Lenovo use existing chipset with new CPU's I always had issues with Lenovo's (except Thinkpad) but never had issues with Dell.dsraa - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Meh....I'm not impressed.....it looks and feels similar to the rest of the line, and that screen.....13.9? Where did they get that format size??retrospooty - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
If you take the Yoga 900, shrink the bezels, you can fit a larger screen. The device got slightly smaller while the screen got larger. What is to complaint about? More importantly, is there a better convertible? Not IMO.emn13 - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
1.38kg sounds a little heavy, if you ask me. But the extra size is nice, and that's got to come from somewhere.TheTurboFool - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
What's your complaint? That's not a ratio, just a screen size. There's no reason screen sizes have to be any precise figure.lilmoe - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Nice machine, but too much wasted vertical space. Can't they just ditch 16:p already??? This is a convertible, 16:10 or 3:2 should be standard.lilmoe - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
16:9***RazrLeaf - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
As a convertible that is primarily a laptop, I think that 16:9 is quite ideal. If it was meant to be primarily a tablet, I too would support something squarer.lilmoe - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
I disagree. I don't believe 16:9 is ideal even for a conventional laptop. Provided the screen width doesn't change, the extra horizontal screen real estate you get with 16:10 or 3:2 wont hurt the total area you get watching a movie, but it provides much more room for productivity tasks. When used in tablet mode (as intended by the Yoga series), 16:9 in both portrait and landscape orientation is unwieldy and just feels wrong.retrospooty - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
I agree, personally I dont want 16:9 in a laptop, 16:10 was decent...but it is just a preference. Some like it.hybrid2d4x4 - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Agree with lilmoe, I don't think 16x9 is good for anything other than watching videos, and is ok for games. Anything productivity-related or even web browsing and file management, something like 3:2 or even 16:10 is noticeably better IMO.Klug4Pres - Saturday, September 3, 2016 - link
Absolutely. These 360-degree hinge devices would be great in 3:2 or 4:3. I'm baffled that we haven't seen anything except the pointless and dreadful 16:9.MamiyaOtaru - Wednesday, September 7, 2016 - link
Got an old Pentium M laptop with 5:4. Man I miss that aspect ration. 4:3 would be acceptable too :(MamiyaOtaru - Wednesday, September 7, 2016 - link
someone needs to being those back and market it as 'tallscreen' or somethingFlunk - Friday, September 9, 2016 - link
I think the future is probably "ultra shortscreen". take a look at some of those ridiculous monitors they're bringing out.mkozakewich - Tuesday, September 6, 2016 - link
IF manufacturers decided to keep the exact number of pixels when moving from 16:10 to 16:9, then all those arguments about things like video size would be valid.There's literally no difference between a 16:9 video on a screen of 16:9 or 16:10, though. They have the exact same pixel count across. All 16:9 means is you don't get as many pixels, and that's really annoying to a lot of people.
cocochanel - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Why would anyone need a 4k display only 14 inches in size ? Can anyone tell me ? What can you use it for ? The other day I was in a BestBuy store looking at a Surface Book. Because of the high resolution display, one can hardly see the fonts.retrospooty - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Windows resolution scaling sucks, especially with ultra high res, so it isnt very useful when used as a standard laptop... However, when used as a tablet, you tend to hold it alot closer. That res is good if you have good eyes and want a perfectly clear picture... However, again, windows sucks as a tablet, so I dont know... If someone really needed a convertible one device fits all, like this or a surface, this is a great product though.Black Obsidian - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
4K is also a lot more flexible than the previous 3200x1800, in that it can do 2:1 scaling for an apparent 1920x1080 for desktop work--about the highest resolution you'd want in that scenario, IMO, but still do native 4K for applications/media that would benefit.MattCoz - Sunday, September 4, 2016 - link
Yeah, anything other than 2:1 scaling can look pretty bad with thin lines getting blurred, so this is great.Ej24 - Sunday, September 11, 2016 - link
If only there was some resolution that was 16:9 and also 1/2 of 3200x1800...Seriously though, 16:9 is only ok for phones. Anywhere else we need 16:10 or taller. Trying to write or read long documents on 16:9 is terrible. Between the task bar and the ribbon on word it leaves you with about 3 inches of vertical space and 12 inches of horizontal.
Tams80 - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Windows doesn't suck as a tablet other than at scaling.retrospooty - Saturday, September 3, 2016 - link
I suppose its a matter of opinion, but I would say it's several stages beyond suck. I would also say the market agrees, as there really arent any that sell well.nikon133 - Monday, September 5, 2016 - link
It is not as bad as it used to be. I'm using Surface Pro 4 a lot these days, at default scaling... I think it is 200%? So far, only Photoshop CS5 looks horrendous, as it doesn't accept scaling at all... but CS5 is a few years old already, so hopefully new Photoshop scales better? Everything else I'm using does OK. Old programs GUI gets that blurry look, but it is at least usable. Newer programs and apps scale fine.But yeah, definitely space for improvements. But I think it will be more down to developers updating their software and following modern guidelines, than MS themselves.
HStewart - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
Using the following link you can fix scaling on CS5, I don't care for new subscription Photoshops and sticking to CS5Just search for "Adobe App Scaling on High DPI Displays (FIX)"
mkozakewich - Tuesday, September 6, 2016 - link
Sounds like you saw something configured poorly. If the fonts were too small, it's because they were silly and didn't set the scaling right.Lolimaster - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
16:9 for a computer, so worthless. 3:2 is the way to go or at minimum 16:10.Vlad_Da_Great - Friday, September 2, 2016 - link
Are you kidding me? 13.9" 4K (3840 x 2160) vs 13.3" Glossy IPS 16:9 QHD+ (3200x1800) LED in 15W range and slightly thinner. I can definitely see those chips very soon kicking ARM minions out of the phone sockets.Achaios - Saturday, September 3, 2016 - link
When it comes to laptops, there's only one thing that matters for me:SCREEN REAL ESTATE
The bigger the screen, the better. I bought a new Skylake based Lenovo laptop only 15 days ago, and it came with 17.3'' screen. This, alongwith a CPU with strong Single-Core performance, are my only major concerns when it comes to buying a laptop.
I'd never buy this specific Lenovo laptop, simply b/c its screen is waaaayyyy too small for my taste.
Cliff34 - Saturday, September 3, 2016 - link
If you like big screen laptops, then you must like your laptop big and heavy. My colleague used to have a xps w 17 inch. Boy that was a big laptop.I guess everyone looks for diff things. For me, it is the portability and good battery life. Not that I'm incline for QHD (more pricey, use more battery) though!
MattCoz - Sunday, September 4, 2016 - link
And I'd never buy the laptop you bought because its waaaayyyy too big for my taste. Good thing there's choices for those with different tastes.Miro90 - Sunday, September 4, 2016 - link
You forgot that the updated yoga 900 have core i7 6560 with iris 540 Lpddr3 1866 and Nvme ssd samsung pm951.kiwilightweight - Wednesday, September 7, 2016 - link
Of course the obvious question: anybody running Linux on it yet?sallgeud - Thursday, September 8, 2016 - link
It's too bad Clementine Orange is gone. It almost directly matches our company colors. We absolutely loved having laptops that matched. It's also the best looking color. Good news is, the color choice is my only complaint.Their current charging port is stupid in the existing yoga's. The two listed have entirely different adapters. If this one support 100% standard usbc charging, that's a HUGE victory for us. Most of our office phones are USBC, making power for this ubiquitous.