My best guess is this will help setup future VMs a bit better or something like SR-IOV on Hyper-V, given the commitment to DX12/CUDA GPU passthrough for future WSL2 guests.
I can't speak to the AMD performance, but I noticed shaky performance with Hardware Assist on in Fallout 76 and a 2080ti (running at 4k with Gsync on). Turning it off (and rebooting, obviously) made a definite difference. I compared it 3 or 4 times, there are definitely stutters where there aren't any with Hardware Assist off.
I'm going to leave it off for now until they iron out the bugs.
yeah even out the stutters - go AMD for guaranteed stutters at well below 4K gaming. his issue seems to be software - not the hardware - and we all know AMD is AMAZING at software.
You're kidding right??? Forums are packed full of people complaining for years about driver issues on AMD cards and you are recommending him to leave his good nvidia card that sure, with a new feature is still not optimized, but he doesn't get crashes like basically all AMD cards, for an AMD card. Go and enjoy your stutters and blue/black/green screen and you limited time of 1 hour of playtime until a new crash only possible with AMD cards.
Yeah, i have two displays here. None of those have ever displayed a stupid internet comment. Never. I really wonder what people are getting all melodramatic and childish about. It's a complete mystery to me, if only i knew...
Yes, and if you look at other forums on the Internet you will find they are packed with people who have been abducted by aliens. People who think AMD GPUs crash all the time are idiots, imo. If that was true, do ya' think AMD could sell them to anyone? Since AMD is now selling the crap out of its GPUs we can conclude this is not the case. My AMD 5700XT 50th Ann doesn't crash, btw. 'nuff said.
AMD, in my experience, does not do particularly well in FO76, with stuttering that does not occur with equivalent Nvidia cards at 4k. I actually have a second box with a 5700XT running Ubuntu right now, but the last time I booted it into Windows, FO76 didn't run particularly well.
Never mind that AMD currently doesn't even make a GPU that comes anywheres near a 2080ti in any situation other than CPU-bound games.
Thanks Ryan - at the moment, there are lots of sites that pretty much don't know what they are doing so many people are looking for Anandtech to really bring some proper understanding to this subject.
There's a reason it's in beta! Probably not worth the trouble unless you're interested in helping AMD troubleshoot and send in detailed bug reports with equipment lists and reproduction steps!
The original 20.5.1 Optional (without the "with Graphics Hardware Scheduling" part at the end) was published on 10th June according to AMD's support page (or 25th May according to AMD software on my computer).
Why not call this new package 20.5.2, 20.5.1.1 or 20.5.1a?
Any plans for a driver that fixes crashes and bluescreens? I mean, it is nice to have more features, but currently AMD has more basic problems. I truly hope they will get sued because of this whole driver situation, it is very bad for navi cards.
My 4850 was solid, but when my wife's 4850 burned out after 6 years of poor cooling, the 6770 was flaky and her 380 has been green screens for years. Overall, I hear the grass is greener on the other side. Both camps have long running issues.
when it comes to CPU amd an AMD fan not had intel for many years, GPU I tend to go with the best solution for me performance and budget wise at the time, over the Years have had many issues with both brands but Nvidia has had the Lions share of driver issues with failed installs and BSODs loss of performance etc, both sets of software wrappers ie streamers etc are rubbish
Title is redundant. All AMD video drivers are beta drivers.
--Typed from a Ryzen 7 3700X system. I like good products regardless of vendor, but "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me SIX times over the years..."
I wonder if future PCIe 4.0 GPUs can offer an NVMe-based cache on-board (similar to next-gen consoles)...is hardware GPU scheduling a first step for something like that?
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jeremyshaw - Monday, June 29, 2020 - link
Any plans for benchmarking?My best guess is this will help setup future VMs a bit better or something like SR-IOV on Hyper-V, given the commitment to DX12/CUDA GPU passthrough for future WSL2 guests.
blppt - Monday, June 29, 2020 - link
I can't speak to the AMD performance, but I noticed shaky performance with Hardware Assist on in Fallout 76 and a 2080ti (running at 4k with Gsync on). Turning it off (and rebooting, obviously) made a definite difference. I compared it 3 or 4 times, there are definitely stutters where there aren't any with Hardware Assist off.I'm going to leave it off for now until they iron out the bugs.
silencer12 - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Make sure you go AMD next time.Deicidium369 - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
yeah even out the stutters - go AMD for guaranteed stutters at well below 4K gaming. his issue seems to be software - not the hardware - and we all know AMD is AMAZING at software.yeeeeman - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
You're kidding right???Forums are packed full of people complaining for years about driver issues on AMD cards and you are recommending him to leave his good nvidia card that sure, with a new feature is still not optimized, but he doesn't get crashes like basically all AMD cards, for an AMD card. Go and enjoy your stutters and blue/black/green screen and you limited time of 1 hour of playtime until a new crash only possible with AMD cards.
duploxxx - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
he doesn't get crashes like basically all AMD cards...amazing comment, I have 2 game PC in house . 5500XT and 5700XT none of the 2 ever crashed with games...
its ALWAYS the same noobs crying loud in forums
MrVibrato - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Yeah, i have two displays here. None of those have ever displayed a stupid internet comment. Never. I really wonder what people are getting all melodramatic and childish about. It's a complete mystery to me, if only i knew...WaltC - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Yes, and if you look at other forums on the Internet you will find they are packed with people who have been abducted by aliens. People who think AMD GPUs crash all the time are idiots, imo. If that was true, do ya' think AMD could sell them to anyone? Since AMD is now selling the crap out of its GPUs we can conclude this is not the case. My AMD 5700XT 50th Ann doesn't crash, btw. 'nuff said.Smell This - Sunday, July 5, 2020 - link
Abducted by aliens? Pbbssst!
However, the Moon landing in 1969 was fake, and tax cuts pay for themselves ...
silencer12 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
Remember nvidia drivers from February 2011 that caused the fans to shut off and cards to overheat. Fun stuffEasyListening - Friday, July 17, 2020 - link
The ones with the least experience with AMD hardware somehow believe they know the most about AMD hardware. *psyduckblppt - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
AMD, in my experience, does not do particularly well in FO76, with stuttering that does not occur with equivalent Nvidia cards at 4k. I actually have a second box with a 5700XT running Ubuntu right now, but the last time I booted it into Windows, FO76 didn't run particularly well.Never mind that AMD currently doesn't even make a GPU that comes anywheres near a 2080ti in any situation other than CPU-bound games.
Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
"Any plans for benchmarking?"Yep. That's sort of the other half of the reason for speaking with Microsoft: to get more context to better understand what to look at and where.
nathanddrews - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Do you think this going to be a situation like DX12/Vulkan where slower CPUs will see a greater net benefit? I'm thinking older dual/quad CPUs.Alexvrb - Saturday, July 4, 2020 - link
Sounds logical.Cellar Door - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Thanks Ryan - at the moment, there are lots of sites that pretty much don't know what they are doing so many people are looking for Anandtech to really bring some proper understanding to this subject.kulareddy - Monday, June 29, 2020 - link
And my HDMI audio driver vanished just like that and it wont even show up in Device Manager.neogodless - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
There's a reason it's in beta! Probably not worth the trouble unless you're interested in helping AMD troubleshoot and send in detailed bug reports with equipment lists and reproduction steps!Hul8 - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
This version number is a bit stupid.The original 20.5.1 Optional (without the "with Graphics Hardware Scheduling" part at the end) was published on 10th June according to AMD's support page (or 25th May according to AMD software on my computer).
Why not call this new package 20.5.2, 20.5.1.1 or 20.5.1a?
yeeeeman - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Any plans for a driver that fixes crashes and bluescreens? I mean, it is nice to have more features, but currently AMD has more basic problems. I truly hope they will get sued because of this whole driver situation, it is very bad for navi cards.toffty - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
What bsod and/or crashes? I've had a 5700 since release and never had a problem.duploxxx - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
perhaps you can start with uninstalling first your Nvidia driver.....Irata - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Seems like people who don‘t own an AMD GPU care the most. How considerate.StevoLincolnite - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Haven't had a single blue-screen in the years I have had my Polaris based RX 580.Perhaps something else is wrong with your rig?
bcronce - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
My 4850 was solid, but when my wife's 4850 burned out after 6 years of poor cooling, the 6770 was flaky and her 380 has been green screens for years. Overall, I hear the grass is greener on the other side. Both camps have long running issues.alufan - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
when it comes to CPU amd an AMD fan not had intel for many years, GPU I tend to go with the best solution for me performance and budget wise at the time, over the Years have had many issues with both brands but Nvidia has had the Lions share of driver issues with failed installs and BSODs loss of performance etc, both sets of software wrappers ie streamers etc are rubbishSivar - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Title is redundant. All AMD video drivers are beta drivers.--Typed from a Ryzen 7 3700X system. I like good products regardless of vendor, but "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me SIX times over the years..."
UNCjigga - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
I wonder if future PCIe 4.0 GPUs can offer an NVMe-based cache on-board (similar to next-gen consoles)...is hardware GPU scheduling a first step for something like that?zodiacfml - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
Can't wait for your article on this. Im no expert but this probably in preparation for cards in the future with SSDs?