They're somewhat incompetent in software too. Heaps of easy and obvious bugs in every platform in every update... at least when compared to their competitors. Also their biggest successes were projects that was kickstarted externally, and simply acquired.
Do they have poor QA Department or something? Or maybe it's just they have some of the worst management team in the world, where they release half-finished projects to the world, only to double-back and kill them off in a small timeframe.
This is not accurate. Think Silicon is one exception; Verisilicon, which inherited the Vivante product family, is arguably another, though it hasn't seen much movement since the GC8k came out.
Good points, but Imagination demo'd ray tracing many years ago. It'd be interesting to know if they had some unique tech, or if the implementation was just too limited for modern games.
I believe that NVIDIA wouldn't want to have its precious CUDA cores "slumming" it in $ 100 smartphones, so they probably hang on to Mali just for this.
Its still going through the regulatory checks, it will be at least a year before its finalized if its approved and even more it will be a few years on top of that before we see any nvidia IP offered / licensed like ARM's if Nvidia decides to do that.
Just because they are acquiring ARM does not mean magically Nvidia's GPU IP will replace the current if at all
Whitechapel will have Mali along with the high-end MTK chip on 5nm coming in Q4. Overall,ARM CPU and GPU designs have hit a grind, as adopters can't use the most advanced node (TSMC 5nm) and had to settle for Sammy's inferior 5nm leading to a generation of flagship chips that are hardly an improvement over TSMCs 7nm SD865/+/870 in real world tasks.
It wouldn't surprise me if they kept it around for at least a while as the low-end GPU in their line-up - "just enough" for the customers who care more about area than performance, with GeForce being pushed out to the high-end.
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ForNein - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
Which Mali gpu is Google's Whitechapel going to have? I suspect it will be something older and unimpressive.EthiaW - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
Google has floudered in its every hardware project, don't hold expectation in them friend.Kangal - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
They're somewhat incompetent in software too. Heaps of easy and obvious bugs in every platform in every update... at least when compared to their competitors. Also their biggest successes were projects that was kickstarted externally, and simply acquired.Do they have poor QA Department or something?
Or maybe it's just they have some of the worst management team in the world, where they release half-finished projects to the world, only to double-back and kill them off in a small timeframe.
Spunjji - Friday, May 28, 2021 - link
Their internal structure rewards doing novel things, not sustained success.Fulljack - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
probably last year's G78, but it's also possible to use this new G710.tuxRoller - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
According to xda (https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-6-same... it looks to be G78.SarahKerrigan - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
"The only other surviving GPU IP vendor"This is not accurate. Think Silicon is one exception; Verisilicon, which inherited the Vivante product family, is arguably another, though it hasn't seen much movement since the GC8k came out.
Infy2 - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
No ray tracing support? Boo!Wereweeb - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
If you want a frying pan functionality, just ask.Spunjji - Friday, May 28, 2021 - link
ARM have a primary focus on area efficiency, spending area on RT features that are too slow to use would not be a good decision for them.mode_13h - Saturday, May 29, 2021 - link
Good points, but Imagination demo'd ray tracing many years ago. It'd be interesting to know if they had some unique tech, or if the implementation was just too limited for modern games.t.s - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
"Conclusion & 1st Impressions" Last paragraph: "If those DTV markets hare numbers are accurate" -> 'hare' minus s.James5mith - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
I think it was supposed to be market share, not markets hare.eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
Thanks Andrei. Question about Imagination: did they have any design wins recently? It's been awfully quiet.ToTTenTranz - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
Did Nvidia give up on purchasing ARM?If not, there's a bit of a white elephant in the room.
eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
I believe that NVIDIA wouldn't want to have its precious CUDA cores "slumming" it in $ 100 smartphones, so they probably hang on to Mali just for this.brucethemoose - Tuesday, May 25, 2021 - link
If it make them money, why not?But there is the question of how low it can go. Would something much, much smaller than a Switch Tegra be competitive with low end Mali?
mode_13h - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
You heard Mediatek is licensing Nvidia graphics IP? Granted, probably not in $100 phones, but maybe $250? I guess we'll see.BTW, you know CUDA cores are in their $100 Jetson boards and Nintendo Switch, right?
Wereweeb - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
That's not how this kind of business works. No one knows what the future holds.Dahak - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
Its still going through the regulatory checks, it will be at least a year before its finalized if its approved and even more it will be a few years on top of that before we see any nvidia IP offered / licensed like ARM's if Nvidia decides to do that.Just because they are acquiring ARM does not mean magically Nvidia's GPU IP will replace the current if at all
mode_13h - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
> it will be a few years on top of that before we see any nvidia IP offered / licensed like ARMThat already happened. It was never dependent on the ARM acquisition.
https://www.xda-developers.com/nvidia-mediatek-arm...
> Just because they are acquiring ARM does not mean magically Nvidia's GPU IP will replace
Agreed. It's a possibility, though. The G710-tier seems most at risk.
edzieba - Wednesday, May 26, 2021 - link
How much of the time writing the article was spent on un-autocorrecting "Valhalla" to "Valhall"?tkSteveFOX - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
Whitechapel will have Mali along with the high-end MTK chip on 5nm coming in Q4.Overall,ARM CPU and GPU designs have hit a grind, as adopters can't use the most advanced node (TSMC 5nm) and had to settle for Sammy's inferior 5nm leading to a generation of flagship chips that are hardly an improvement over TSMCs 7nm SD865/+/870 in real world tasks.
regsEx - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
What will happen to Mali after merge with Nvidia?Spunjji - Friday, May 28, 2021 - link
It wouldn't surprise me if they kept it around for at least a while as the low-end GPU in their line-up - "just enough" for the customers who care more about area than performance, with GeForce being pushed out to the high-end.mode_13h - Saturday, May 29, 2021 - link
Exactly.5j3rul3 - Thursday, May 27, 2021 - link
When Mali can support HW Ray Tracing, MLSS, HDR Gaming?Fedposter - Monday, June 28, 2021 - link
Can't arm just make discrete gpus out of these like Intel did with the DG1?vladx - Monday, September 6, 2021 - link
ARM is an IP designer, not a hardware manufactureryeeeeman - Friday, June 24, 2022 - link
when do we get the next gen unveil?