The Intel SSD 660p SSD Review: QLC NAND Arrives For Consumer SSDs
by Billy Tallis on August 7, 2018 11:00 AM ESTAnandTech Storage Bench - Heavy
Our Heavy storage benchmark is proportionally more write-heavy than The Destroyer, but much shorter overall. The total writes in the Heavy test aren't enough to fill the drive, so performance never drops down to steady state. This test is far more representative of a power user's day to day usage, and is heavily influenced by the drive's peak performance. The Heavy workload test details can be found here. This test is run twice, once on a freshly erased drive and once after filling the drive with sequential writes.
When the Heavy test is run on an empty Intel SSD 660p, the test is able to operate almost entirely within the large SLC cache and the average data rate is competitive with many high-end NVMe SSDs. When the drive is full and the SLC cache is small, the low performance of the QLC NAND shows through with an average data rate that is slower than the 600p or Crucial MX500, but still far faster than a mechanical hard drive.
The average and 99th percentile latency scores of the 660p on the empty-drive test run are clearly high-end; the use of a four-channel controller doesn't seem to be holding back the performance of the SLC cache. The full-drive latency scores are an order of magnitude higher and worse than other SSDs of comparable capacity, but not worse than some of the slowest low-capacity TLC drives we've tested.
The average read latency of the Intel 660p on the Heavy test is about 2.5x higher for the full-drive test run than when the test is run on a freshly-erased drive. Neither score is unprecedented for a NVMe drive, and it's not quite the largest disparity we've seen between full and empty performance. The average write latency is where the 660p suffers most from being full, with latency that's about 60% higher than the already-slow 600p.
The 99th percentile read latency scores from the 660p are fine for a low-end NVMe drive, and close to high-end for the empty-drive test run that is mostly using the SLC cache. The 99th percentile write latency is similarly great when using the SLC cache, but almost 20 times worse when the drive is full. This is pretty bad in comparison to other current-generation NVMe drives or mainstream SATA drives, but is actually slightly better than the Intel 600p's best case for 99th percentile write latency.
The Intel SSD 660p shows above average power efficiency on the Heavy test, by NVMe standards. Even the full-drive test run energy usage is lower than several high-end drives.
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mapesdhs - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
If you have quite literally "valuable info" then don't use a consumer SSD at all. Heck, damn the speed, you're far better with even a used 840 Pro. That's why I obtained one for this build I did, along with an SM951 for a scratch video drive:http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/charitypc1.html
BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
First point of interest is always have a backup plan. If information is valuable, don't rely on any single copy of it.As to your question of endurance, I don't think most personal use cases are likely to have an issue. If you have a professional workload, get a professional drive. The 840 Pro that mapesdhs keeps evangelizing is actually a pretty good option, though a Pro series (MLC) nvme drive will provide better performance while still providing endurance is the same ballpark as the 840Pro.
As to whether it will refresh the cell if powered on, I would expect most Samsung drive will, though it is not known whether
BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
As to whether it will refresh if powered on, I don't believe that Samsung flash required the refresh cycle once the moved to 3D NAND with a larger feature size. That said, since QLC halves the voltage swing (and corresponding charge) vs TLC, it is likely that Samsung will need to do something to prevent voltage drift. This may not necessarily require active refreshing, though. It is not known (by me) whether this is a requirement for other manufacturer's 3DQLC NAND either.BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
I get why they don't want an edit feature, but would it really hurt if they added a time limited recall type edit feature for when you fat thumb a hot key that posts your unfinished message before you are done with it. Maybe give you five minutes after a post initiate the edit to catch typos or grammar issues. It wouldn't really be enough to alter a conversation as it is unlikely that others will have responded within this time frame.AbRASiON - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Considering the abysmal performance of this thing, I think you really need a $/GB chart on the page and it would be nice to put in a very fast, modern hard drive. Something huge and 7200RPM with a lot of cache on it.Just to put it in perspective, because as it stands, wow this thing looks terrible. I expect VERY cheap prices if they're gonna run like this.
Oxford Guy - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
No matter how terrible QLC is it is going to succeed in the market because consumers respond well to big and cheap.So, I think one interesting question is going to be how much disguising there will be of products having QLC. Microcenter, for instance, is apparently selling a TLC Inland drive, calling it MLC.
piroroadkill - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
That's how I want QLC drives to be compared - to the best hard drives people might actually buy today to store their games on, for example.I'd love a cheap and large 4TB drive for my games, but it has to be both much faster than the HDD setup I use for games (2× 2TB 3.5" Seagate Hybrid drives in RAID0) and not too far off the same price.
zodiacfml - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
Impressive performance. Easily beats my SATA 850 EVO in performance and twice the capacity I bought last December for the same price.There should be no reason for notebook manufacturers to settle for HDD except the cheapest laptops.
mapesdhs - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
Given the 850 EVO's strong reliability reputation though, I wouldn't be overly eager to recommend this new QLC model for anyone wanting a decent degree of confidence that their data is safe. But then, most consumers don't have backup strategies anyway. :DSpunjji - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
If you want safe data, make regular backups. Anything else is a false sense of security!