Gigabyte's BIOS is like the quest to create as many submenus as possible and to bury things as deep as they can be buried within those menus. Luckily my Aorus z370 gaming 7 gets the job done
Wanted to upgrade to Ryzen 2 on an ITX board with a 4xx chipset for "proper" precision boost support - but am still waiting on availability of the damn things.
It's come to a point where I'm contemplating skipping this generation as well and wait for 7nm/Ryzen 3 in H1 next year - a "new" desktop nowadays is 5+ year investment anyway
I'm in the same boat as you Spoelie, I'm wanting to upgrade but I want a board with proper precision boast on a lower end chipset in a uATX or ITX form factor but AMD has been so slow about coming out with the new chipsets that now I'm to the point that I should probably wait for Zen2 and the new GPUs.
Is it me or is this article hard to read? Here are some examples of strange sentences.
"While not a budget board in any sense of the phrase ($240), the selection of controllers highly the potential upturn in cost for the X470 Gaming 7. "
"While the X370 predecessor to this board (GIGABYTE AX370 Gaming K7) did feature a single U.2 port, GIGABYTE has omitted to implement one onto the X470 Gaming 7. Instead, two M.2 slots are present with both offering support for NVMe PCIe x4 and SATA SSDs with both slots featuring their own individual stylish and functional M.2 heat sinks."
I know, right? I think this article was voice to text - or whatever that's called, because there are simple words that are spelled wrong but sound correct, such as "..however the margins are theme." Are what?
I specifically do not buy Gigabyte anymore because of the stupid name and silly eagle. What ever happened to the UD5, UD7, Formula OC? I'm sure I'm not the only one being lost to teenage 'gamer' marketing. I mean, is it so hard to come up with some non-lame marketing? Make it look nice with a slick name like Spectre, or whatever. So sick of stupid brands on electronics like the msi dragon and gigabyte, oh wait, AEOOORUSSSS, deformed bird. This isn't cereal. It's gdammed high tech. Make it slick and sophisticated. And make heatsinks that actually work again! Now get off my lawn!!!
Aorus is kind of a "Goldie"/"Goldish" for Latin languages. Gold in Latin is Aurum.
I specifically don't buy Gigabyte because they save 1$ using Realtek LAN instead of Intel (an Intel chip is $1.75). The performance difference is small, but worth more than the extra $1 if one also considers drivers and reliability.
Correct. But only a couple from the dozen of variants are using Intel LAN, the ones with the most flashy and useless configuration for professional use. If you want a reasonable setup (no "gaming" or other childish features) then you only get Realtek LAN. I would gladly pay more than $10 for a decent mobo with Intel LAN.
In the text you say "is capable of 3.90 GHz at 1.375 V" but in the chart you say 3.9 at 1.325. Are you saying that less voltage was required on the x470 than in tests with previous chipsets? I have found that to be true in my particular case. I moved my 1700 from an Asrock B350 board where it was at 4.0 and 1.38. On my Prime x470 pro, the same CPU still will not hit 4.1 without more voltage than I'm willing to risk. So I stuck to 4.0 and reduced the voltage to 1.35 and its completely stable. Next I'm going to try lowering it even more to find the lowest voltage where its stable at 4.0.
So even though I'm not hitting higher speeds, I'd say that hitting the same speed at lower voltages is a good thing.
Yeah, took Latin for 4 years, actually thought they were bastardising ancient Egyptian with a homage to Horus, what with the bird and all. If it was me, I'd nuke EVERY.GDAM.ANIMAL, in computer hardware branding. I don't need a bank-robber on ASUS boards to make me want it. Gimme the chipset, a 'plus' or 'deluxe' and call it a day.
Asus WS boards are my idea of perfect looking hardware.
So, it's middle of 2018, we a newish top-end AM4 "chipset" - WHY do we still only have two USB 3.1 10 Gbps ports on the rear panel?
And why are they STILL not using USB 3.1 10 Gbps controllers/phys in the X470?
I'm not a gamer AT ALL and I buy cost effective HW AND I still fall for the AM4 "chipset" descriptions that list x amount of USB 3.1 Gen 2/10 Gbps controllers in the B350, B450, B370, B470 "Chipsets".
Why an extrenal Asmedia USB 3.1 Gen2/10 Gbps controoler and not the AMD "chipset" itself???
Why is this board get 5% less fps compared to the msi b350 - this board is for high end and 5% is a lot extra if you are looking at SLI - and I dot see why you would not at this price point
"And why are you using an older chip on new hardware? Can't Anandtech purchase a 2700x or 2800x?"
Probably because they want to keep their benchmark results inter-comparable. If they already have benchmark scores using a 1700 and an X370, then they want to be able to show how much faster the X470 is than the X370 using the same processor (the 1700).
The purpose of a test bed is to keep every component the same except the one component being reviewed. So that means refraining from frequent upgrades to the test bed. If they constantly upgraded the test bed every time a new product came out, then none of the benchmarks would mean anything.
"This is apparent as the X470 Gaming 7 has support for DDR4 memory up to speeds of DDR4-3600"
Patriot guaranteed 3400 speed in July of 2017, even on B350 and A320 boards with Ryzen 1. This isn't so impressive, the idea that someone should fork over so much cash for a small bump over that.
As for the heatsink... We all know that ASUS came out with a hybrid water/air VRM sink back in 2013 and Gigabyte also later released the same thing — but only for Intel. Funny how even Threadripper isn't important enough to get the kind of board tech ASUS and Gigabyte gave quad core CPUs, before LED lighting and ugly paint jobs was supposed to substitute for substance.
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DigitalFreak - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
The M.2 slot furthest from the CPU is PCI-E 2.0 x4, not PCI-E 3.0.gavbon - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Good spot, edited and thank you :)DigitalFreak - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
One other thing - the 3rd (x4) PCI-E slot is PCI-E 2.0, not 3.0.Hxx - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Gigabyte's BIOS is like the quest to create as many submenus as possible and to bury things as deep as they can be buried within those menus. Luckily my Aorus z370 gaming 7 gets the job doneSpoelie - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Another ATX board :/Wanted to upgrade to Ryzen 2 on an ITX board with a 4xx chipset for "proper" precision boost support - but am still waiting on availability of the damn things.
It's come to a point where I'm contemplating skipping this generation as well and wait for 7nm/Ryzen 3 in H1 next year - a "new" desktop nowadays is 5+ year investment anyway
tarqsharq - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
I've had my Asus X470 ITX board since the end of May or so?But yeah, waiting for the 7nm shrink might be a really good idea.
29a - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
I'm in the same boat as you Spoelie, I'm wanting to upgrade but I want a board with proper precision boast on a lower end chipset in a uATX or ITX form factor but AMD has been so slow about coming out with the new chipsets that now I'm to the point that I should probably wait for Zen2 and the new GPUs.DanNeely - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
I'm not sure which is stupider, the frag harder lights on 2 of the PCIe x16 slots, or that they cheaped out and left the 3rd normal.29a - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Just don't turn them on and what seems to be a major source of stress in your life will go away.29a - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Is it me or is this article hard to read? Here are some examples of strange sentences."While not a budget board in any sense of the phrase ($240), the selection of controllers highly the potential upturn in cost for the X470 Gaming 7. "
"While the X370 predecessor to this board (GIGABYTE AX370 Gaming K7) did feature a single U.2 port, GIGABYTE has omitted to implement one onto the X470 Gaming 7. Instead, two M.2 slots are present with both offering support for NVMe PCIe x4 and SATA SSDs with both slots featuring their own individual stylish and functional M.2 heat sinks."
vicbee - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
I know, right? I think this article was voice to text - or whatever that's called, because there are simple words that are spelled wrong but sound correct, such as "..however the margins are theme." Are what?asmian - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Let's also call out "would of" instead of "would have", a schoolboy error any competent editor should have picked up. :(AdrianB1 - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
The proper command of the English language is no longer required to write articles on Anandtech. Anand left a long time ago.hansmuff - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
"The lackluster gaming results brings the overall results down, however the margins are theme."My sides. Really, Anandtech, you need to have an editor or at least rigid peer review. This article is written rather poorly.
PhrogChief - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
I specifically do not buy Gigabyte anymore because of the stupid name and silly eagle. What ever happened to the UD5, UD7, Formula OC? I'm sure I'm not the only one being lost to teenage 'gamer' marketing. I mean, is it so hard to come up with some non-lame marketing? Make it look nice with a slick name like Spectre, or whatever. So sick of stupid brands on electronics like the msi dragon and gigabyte, oh wait, AEOOORUSSSS, deformed bird. This isn't cereal. It's gdammed high tech. Make it slick and sophisticated. And make heatsinks that actually work again! Now get off my lawn!!!AdrianB1 - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Aorus is kind of a "Goldie"/"Goldish" for Latin languages. Gold in Latin is Aurum.I specifically don't buy Gigabyte because they save 1$ using Realtek LAN instead of Intel (an Intel chip is $1.75). The performance difference is small, but worth more than the extra $1 if one also considers drivers and reliability.
Breadwinka - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
But this is using an Intel Lan.AdrianB1 - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Correct. But only a couple from the dozen of variants are using Intel LAN, the ones with the most flashy and useless configuration for professional use. If you want a reasonable setup (no "gaming" or other childish features) then you only get Realtek LAN. I would gladly pay more than $10 for a decent mobo with Intel LAN.Ratman6161 - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
In the text you say "is capable of 3.90 GHz at 1.375 V" but in the chart you say 3.9 at 1.325. Are you saying that less voltage was required on the x470 than in tests with previous chipsets? I have found that to be true in my particular case. I moved my 1700 from an Asrock B350 board where it was at 4.0 and 1.38. On my Prime x470 pro, the same CPU still will not hit 4.1 without more voltage than I'm willing to risk. So I stuck to 4.0 and reduced the voltage to 1.35 and its completely stable. Next I'm going to try lowering it even more to find the lowest voltage where its stable at 4.0.So even though I'm not hitting higher speeds, I'd say that hitting the same speed at lower voltages is a good thing.
PhrogChief - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
Yeah, took Latin for 4 years, actually thought they were bastardising ancient Egyptian with a homage to Horus, what with the bird and all. If it was me, I'd nuke EVERY.GDAM.ANIMAL, in computer hardware branding. I don't need a bank-robber on ASUS boards to make me want it. Gimme the chipset, a 'plus' or 'deluxe' and call it a day.Asus WS boards are my idea of perfect looking hardware.
vkristof - Friday, July 27, 2018 - link
So, it's middle of 2018, we a newish top-end AM4 "chipset" - WHY do we still only have two USB 3.1 10 Gbps ports on the rear panel?And why are they STILL not using USB 3.1 10 Gbps controllers/phys in the X470?
I'm not a gamer AT ALL and I buy cost effective HW AND I still fall for the AM4 "chipset" descriptions that list x amount of USB 3.1 Gen 2/10 Gbps controllers in the B350, B450, B370, B470 "Chipsets".
Why an extrenal Asmedia USB 3.1 Gen2/10 Gbps controoler and not the AMD "chipset" itself???
utmode - Friday, July 27, 2018 - link
instead putting RGB light they could have put more fan connector.Flappergast - Saturday, July 28, 2018 - link
Why is this board get 5% less fps compared to the msi b350 - this board is for high end and 5% is a lot extra if you are looking at SLI - and I dot see why you would not at this price pointMarkPhantasy - Sunday, July 29, 2018 - link
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Dug - Thursday, August 2, 2018 - link
Can we please get some m.2 and ssd benchmarks along with network benchmarks.And why are you using an older chip on new hardware? Can't Anandtech purchase a 2700x or 2800x?
How about sound? Any measurements or at least some tests would be nice.
4 year old graphics card?
How about tests with both m.2 slots filled with a x16 graphics card to see if there is any performance hit?
Mikewind Dale - Friday, February 1, 2019 - link
"And why are you using an older chip on new hardware? Can't Anandtech purchase a 2700x or 2800x?"Probably because they want to keep their benchmark results inter-comparable. If they already have benchmark scores using a 1700 and an X370, then they want to be able to show how much faster the X470 is than the X370 using the same processor (the 1700).
The purpose of a test bed is to keep every component the same except the one component being reviewed. So that means refraining from frequent upgrades to the test bed. If they constantly upgraded the test bed every time a new product came out, then none of the benchmarks would mean anything.
Oxford Guy - Friday, August 10, 2018 - link
"This is apparent as the X470 Gaming 7 has support for DDR4 memory up to speeds of DDR4-3600"Patriot guaranteed 3400 speed in July of 2017, even on B350 and A320 boards with Ryzen 1. This isn't so impressive, the idea that someone should fork over so much cash for a small bump over that.
As for the heatsink... We all know that ASUS came out with a hybrid water/air VRM sink back in 2013 and Gigabyte also later released the same thing — but only for Intel. Funny how even Threadripper isn't important enough to get the kind of board tech ASUS and Gigabyte gave quad core CPUs, before LED lighting and ugly paint jobs was supposed to substitute for substance.
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